Comment on How to treat a man

TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• HowManyNimons@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I hope you aren’t treated like shit by default.

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  • Zwiebel@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Got some links to share?

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    • moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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      • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Males being raped is a very underreported and tragic occurrence. You can’t compare apples and oranges.

        (I have friends who were raped and never reported or did anything about it, out of stigma, shame, or not expecting anything [justice] to come of reporting it)

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    • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That depends on what you mean by “treated”. Men are not as well trusted not to be violent, and taken less seriously when the victims of sexual crimes. Women are paid less well and get more online abuse. That’s just a few examples for each side, obviously we could go on and on. Maybe we all want better treatment.

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  • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not by my partner. Never have been, that’s why I love her, she’s always been kind.

    But she also carries some distrust and resentment towards mean-justifiably given trauma-that is sometimes directed at me, inadvertently I think. Which sucks and doesn’t make me feel great, but it also makes sense from her perspective and she’s not got an issue with me

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    • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sounds like she needs kindness. I have someone in my life like that. They’re working on it but it’s a long hard road.

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      • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        She does, as does everyone. So it’s walking a balance of respecting her and her trauma and being supportive, while also standing up for myself when needed

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  • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What if we are shit, by default?

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    • AVincentInSpace@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Speak for yourself

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• TheSambassador@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Isn’t that the status quo? I guess it’s not really fathers to daughters, but most women I know went through some amount of “here’s how to be a good wife” lessons from their mothers or family. I think women get a lot of “traditional gender roles” training that’s mostly about being caretakers.

  Usually people putting forth this kinda “women should learn how to care for their man” attitude are coming from a conservative “traditional family values” position.

  Really, we should be teaching people how to ask about and learn the needs of their partner, and how to determine your own needs and communicate those to your partner. Basic emotional intelligence stuff. It doesn’t have to be gendered at all.

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• Voyajer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s what I thought the comments would be about but apparently he should just get called creepy instead.

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  • roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sir, this is a shit posting community.

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    • Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Dont act like this didnt happen on Reddit, serious discussion in spacedicks, dickjokes in worldnews…

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      • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sir, Reddit is a shit posting community.

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• Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Come here so I can taze you

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  • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s just estim on hard mode

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  • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes pls

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• abbadon420@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well, I’m certainly not gonna teach my daughter to trust boys. That will lead to places I don’t even want to think about.

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  • PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • abbadon420@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Fuck you

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      • PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Maybe my comment was a bit rude but please don’t teach your daughter to instantly distrust people based on their gender. That’s a recipe for undersocilization that’s going to fuck her up for a long time

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      • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And here we see the pinnacle of parenthood in full swing

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  • Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My guy, the motivation is right but the thinking is wrong.

    You teach your daughter how to spot manipulative behavior, teach her how to stand up for and protect herself, teach your daughter how to respect herself AND others, teach her how to love herself AND others, teach her what a healthy relationship looks like…

    Boys will be boys, they will be dumb and horny teenagers and they will try shit, even with the absolute best of dumb horny boy intentions, also teenage lesbians are quite keen on trying shit too. You need to teach them to spot the difference between their first love and someone telling them what they want to hear in order to go up their shirt.

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You teach your daughter how to spot manipulative behavior

      Yeah, only do it right. Because some girls have apparently been taught to classify anything they don’t understand as that. Sucks being autistic and trying to explain some emotion and being accused of manipulation and ghosted, because that’s easier than admitting that sometimes you just don’t understand other people as well as you think.

      I also hate that folk psychology with “personal borders” (usually asymmetric, quite normal things said to those people are apparently emotional abuse, and quite heavy things from them are just life) and “red flags” (usually applied to autistic people and not applied to literal creepy\insecure behavior) and a few thumb rules which apparently describe anything in a conversation. People employing that also by default consider that everything is fine with them personally.

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    • abbadon420@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thanks, but these are open doors. I just made a single sentence comment that people read way to much into. Now I’m the world’s worst parent and I deserve all the funny comments that attack me personally on issues about which I lie awake at night.

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  • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And the cycle continues. Congrats on being a cog in a machine we’re trying to dismantle.

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    • TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This feels reductive. Are you seriously saying ‘trust boys’ is a message you should give girls right now? I have boys and girls, and I would never tell my daughter ‘yeah just default to trusting guys’ – hell she had issues with boys not understanding consent or bodily autonomy in elementary school.

      And I 100% blame those of us around those boys, we’re the adults, but the fact is girls literally cannot afford to just trust men or boys on meeting.

      We need to teach our boys and men to stop doing these things and then we can tell everyone to trust by default.

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      • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes. Trust boys. Because things happen at once, not in sequence.

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  • forrgott@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not gonna teach my daughters who they are or are not supposed to trust. Because I will never teach my children what they should think, but rather how to think for themselves. I will encourage them to only trust individuals that prove themselves trustworthy, but again, that’s not my decision to make.

    They’re not extensions of me; they are distinct, individual human beings. So I certainly hope you will not teach her to be distrustful; that leads to misery and pain, all in the pursuit of something that doesn’t belong to you and never will (her mind is her own, whether you like it or not).

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• sroos@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I guess you’re a man? So am I. Have you been treated like shit in your relationships? I’m sorry to hear that. I have been treated by like shit by some women in relationships as well. Then I got out of those relationships.

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  • sroos@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The moral of the story is: Don’t hang around in relationships where you’re treated like shit.

    There’s other possible morals here too, but let’s keep with this one. I think it says it all.

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    • HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I know you peeps probably didn’t mean it this way, but men fall victim to the same psychological traps women do. It’s not that easy to just leave a bad relationship, especially if you don’t have the expectations and tools required to identify what’s not normal

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      • sroos@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You’re absolutely right, of course.
        We should aspire to ensure everyone is equipped in that respect before they leave home!
        What I want to say is: Yeah, it can be as difficult for men to leave a bad relationship as it can be for women. That isn’t a reason to treat men any different from women.

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• Crampon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thread closed? Why? Do you not want to defend such a statement?

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    • Crampon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Her comment jump to the conclusion that men should be tasered for no particular reason. Looking at suicide ratings it obvious men are subject to a lot of mental stress and pressure from society.

      Women should be protected and cared for. Men should be tasered.

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