Bitwarden is probably a more pragmatic choice for most users, given that it’s free and without having to manage the syncing yourself.
Any password manager is better than the alternative, though.
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admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 3 months ago
I guess now is as good a time as any for them to start using a proper password manager.
Personally, I recommend Keepass - it has multiple clients for all platforms, and you can keep the file in sync with a program of your own choosing, like Dropbox, syncthing or whatever you like.
GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
314xel@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m not sure what you’re comparing it to. Keepass is free too, in fact it’s open source. Also, local software and database is always superior to cloud.
But, I would say you can use any online password manager as long as it’s end to end encrypted, so Bitwarden is a good choice.
evulhotdog@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I think your bias may be showing. The average computer user doesn’t even think about using a password manager. It just exists and works in their browser.
GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Also, local software and database is always superior to cloud.
Now there’s an unfounded blanket statement if I ever saw one.
Enoril@jlai.lu 3 months ago
Statement related to previous cloud hacks i assume.
Should have say: self-hosting is always superior to cloud hosting.
Bitwarden (the client) + Vaultwarden (the self-hosted server) is a good combo if you have some knowledge on how to setup it.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 months ago
No dislike for Keepass here, but I prefer Bitwarden. It’s also super easy to self host with Vaultwarden.
SaltySalamander@fedia.io 3 months ago
Vaultwarden ftw
GoJimi@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Exactly! Self hosted FTW. Chances of a data breach… Typically pretty minor if you are smart.
pennomi@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Chances of losing the data is higher with selfhosting too. Unless you’re doing some sort of multizone replication, or course.
nialv7@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I use syncthing so there’s a copy of my password database on each of my devices.
communism@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
I would rather lose my passwords than have my password database be accessed by someone else. Most websites have a “forgot password” function, and for passwords that don’t have that (e.g. to decrypt my hard drive or log into my computer) I’ve memorised the passphrase and always type it manually anyway. And for passwords where neither applies, it’s probably not a huge loss anyway if I’ve not prepared for the possibility of losing my password db for that particular password.
GoJimi@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Yeah. Daily and weekly cloud backups solve that for myself for sure.
Lem453@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Borg backup to borgbase is not very expensive and borg will encrypt the data plus the vault is also encrypted
ThePantser@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I am hosting on Home Assistant which itself gets a backup to my Google drive and my personal machine. So there are two backups, as long as HA doesn’t create a corrupted backup 3 weeks in a row I am good.
russjr08@bitforged.space 3 months ago
As long as you’re still signed into BW from any of your devices, you can always export the vault from there.
(But yes, actual backups are always a plus)
Lem453@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Keep vaultwarden behind wireguard for local only access then also use https certs and good master password. Very secure like this
francois@jlai.lu 3 months ago
Why https if the traffic is already encrypted by the vpn?
N1ghtstalk3r@lemmy.world 3 months ago
+1 for a self-hosted Vaultwarden instance. If you’re technically capable and have extra hardware laying around this is the best way to go.
TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 3 months ago
Although a backup is still required or you are gambling on hardware outliving your need for your data.
Lem453@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Anyone with the knowledge to self host will quickly discover 3-2-1. If they choose to follow it, that’s on them but data loss won’t be from ignorance
N1ghtstalk3r@lemmy.world 3 months ago
100%. Make sure to follow the 3-2-1 backup rule with all things you do.
tabular@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Shoutouts to paper and pen.
Keep the booklet in a safe place.
admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 3 months ago
If you never, ever need your passwords outside of your home, that’s great advice - it’s as secure as can be against digital theft. Less so against fire though, and backups are out of the question.
Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 3 months ago
I just store all my passwords in robots.txt on my web server, makes it easy for me to access them anywhere I go…
/s
nous@programming.dev 3 months ago
You can have backups of physical books. Just copy the text from one to the other. Yeah it is manual work but so is writing the first one in the first place. You can then store the second copy in a fire resistant safe or at a friends or family members house (maybe inside a safe as well).
thejoker954@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Backups are easy? Just copy to another piece of paper and store somewhere else.
I’m just being facetious though.
admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 3 months ago
I’m not being facetious though. Off-site backups of a digital password collection are easy to setup and maintain. But when you change your password or add a new entry, it’s going to be a pain in the ass to have to drive over and update a physical copy.
If you can live with those downsides, that’s fine. But in my opinion it would be facetious to pretend a physical backup is “just as good/usable” as a digital one.
lauha@lemmy.one 3 months ago
I have a firesafe at home for important papers, passports and some emergency cash. I keep my passwords there.
tabular@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Well you can write a copy and keep it in a shed if it’s unlikely to also catch fire.
maccentric@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Typically, the drawer just below the keyboard (in my experience)
slumberlust@lemmy.world 3 months ago
If it’s my mother, post it notes stuck to the laptop…
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 months ago
This is the first suggestion here that’s actually within the technical abilities of most people, even most Lemmy users.
The level of technical knowledge some of people here seem to think the general public has is absurd.
tabular@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m usually the one promoting technical literacy to all but in this case I honestly don’t use a password manager.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 months ago
It’s honestly seemed like more trouble than it’s worth, there’s a few websites where I just reset my password every time.
admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 3 months ago
If getting a Dropbox account is too difficult for you, I seriously wonder why you’re subscribed here, or reading articles about password management in browsers.
tamal3@lemmy.world 3 months ago
We’re lost
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Because I’m interested in tech news, especially since the world we live in can’t function without it.
Besides, Lemmy seems to seriously overestimate the technical abilities of, well, most people.
suction@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Never trust your credentials to a private company, they could be bought out by state actors.
Katana314@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Never trust your credentials to yourself, you can be bought out by beer, poor decisions, and tripping over the cables connected to your home server you cobbled together.
CosmicGiraffe@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The xz compromise having demonstrated that FOSS projects are totally immune to interference from state actors…
suction@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Right that’s why you shouldn’t trust those either
Wistful@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
Keepass XC on PC, Keepass DX on Android, Syncthing to sync database
Works flawlessly!
nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 3 months ago
Most amazingly, this setup is also unexpectedly resilient against merge conflicts and can sync even when two copies have changed. You wouldn’t expect that from tools relying on 3rd party file syncing.
I still try to avoid it, but every time it accidentally happened, I could just merge the changes automatically without losing data.
Shatur@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
How did you enable merge conflict resolution for KeePassXC databases?
nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 3 months ago
Depends a bit on the clients.
PlexSheep@infosec.pub 3 months ago
By ignoring the conflict files
OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I store my DB in Dropbox and use KeePass2Android on phone which has built in Dropbox sync.
Hexarei@programming.dev 3 months ago
Yeah but then you have to trust Dropbox
OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 3 months ago
And I do, have used it for 10+ years I think. Keyfile is also used so even with leaked DB file and password, it should be inaccessible.