I’ve seen a lot of people complain online about getting dropped by a tinder date/etc because they swapped numbers and the other person realized they didn’t have an iPhone from the green text. Probably best not to date someone who would drop you over that, but there’s a weird elitism over blue/green texts.
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gregorum@lemm.ee 11 months ago
i had no idea that having green chat bubbles upset people so much.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Exusia@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Attempting to get a date in the current US scene was hard enough without this petty bullshit. While it was certainly disheartening to see another one slip away, knowing I was dodging a bullet was worth the time. I did enjoy (only once) getting “ugh green bubbles? Srs?” And sliding back “yeah sorry I have a Fold#, iPhones r for brokies” and blocking the contact
(People are free to own iPhone and you’re free to make your own descicions or debate the merits of android/iphone, I am more just intolerant of the fan elitism - not iPhone owners in general, hope you have a nice day)
Nacktmull@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Weird, is that an excursively US American thing? I am European and have never experienced “phone racism”.
Iseja@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It has started in Sweden with younger generations that wants to replicate everything from the US.
rishado@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Don’t you guys use WhatsApp though as the base messaging app?
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Nah bro, if they bought an iPhone that means I can’t trust them with money. Screw that noise
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
As much as I dislike apple, I don’t really hold it against people. Iphones are overpriced, but they’re decent phones and I can’t really blame someone for not wanting to learn a different mobile OS or lose out on all the apps they’ve paid for. Also a lot of android OEMs make terrible design decisions with their software modifications/bloatware, and it can be really hard for someone non-tech savvy to know how to buy a good android phone. Iphones are comparably simple to shop for, you only have a few options and they’re all going to be decent (if not necessarily a good value).
Iphone elitism really bothers me though, it feels like it’s taking a lack of knowledge/experience and turning it into something to feel smug about.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Exactly.
I use an iPhone for work, because they pay for it, it does the essentials well, and since they manage the device, I get no benefit from Android’s openness.
My personal phone will always be Android, because I like to use a pocket computer the way I want to use it, not how the vendor thinks I should use it.
nexas_XIII@lemm.ee 11 months ago
As someone who started with Android, went to iOS, back to Android, and stayed with iOS I feel like you’re not trying to understand why some people choose an iPhone. I personally chose it because of the incredible battery life.
Skip the rest of this if you don’t want to hear a rambling mess of my phone history. There is a bit at the end regarding prices and why I own what I own now.
I had an HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy S2, HTC One M7, Sony Xperia Z1, iPhone 7, Nexus 6P, iPhone X, iPhone 12 Pro, iPhone 15.
I’ve rooted a bunch of the early Android phones, loved having removable batteries and having expandable storage. As the platform evolved and started following Apple’s lead on design decisions (no removable batteries, no expandable storage, etc.) I was wondering why I was still with Android. After having a the Xperia I noticed that the battery didn’t last as long as it used to and if I remember right (possibly not, a bit tipsy) the Xperia was advertised as having a very long battery but it didn’t last very long past a year or so (was getting less than a full day and having to charge when I was driving home). I also had how slow Sony was to get OS upgrades it I decided to try a new phone. At the time I cared more about the battery and the iPhone 7 was my next try. It was amazing, I didn’t actually enable iMessage because I hated the bubble bs that I heard about. Eventually the 6p was announced and I missed the freedom of android and decided to give it a try. This was the generation where Android started cracking down on rooting and the battery life was awful. I eventually went full in on iOS after that and here we are. I miss what Android was, I do sometimes miss the tinkering but I also don’t hate how things normally just work.
Now in regards to cost, the name brands for Android phones are around the same price. They usually promise 2-3 years of updates while currently Apple had a history of supporting phones for 4-5 years.
I understand you can get lower range phones for cheaper but I guess I’m not into the phone scene like I used to because I guess I assume the lower range phones aren’t getting the updates that the flagships are and I don’t want to have to either compromise security or shell out more money to get another phone. So for me, I’m typically buying around a $1000 phone but after 3 years I can trade in my phone for a decent amount of money off the new one, or sell it for even more and pay a mid range Android prices for a new iPhone. Or if I’m not feeling the upgrades are worth it I’ll just stick with my phone for the 5 years+ (only went to iPhone 15 to get USB-C and remove lightning from my place).
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Battery life hasn’t been an issue on Android for like 5 years. Phone I’m using at the moment is a low-end Samsung, I have hundreds of apps, run a VPN and Tailscale, lots of automation, two sync apps, and a bunch of other stuff.
With normal use it lasts most of a day. When I say normal, I mean my normal, which is to hammer on the poor thing, the screen is rarely off.
For the average user this thing would last 2 days (I tested it when I got it, just put a few typical apps on).
Though you know your way around phones, and have developed your reasons for choosing the things you do, like long battery life.
You’re not the user who chooses iPhone because they don’t know anything and hear iPhone is better, Android is green low-rent bubbles.
Toes@ani.social 11 months ago
I’ve never heard of that, that’s kinda hilarious and really helps them dodge a bullet.
Apple has spent a significant amount of effort over creating a sense of elitism for using its products but that’s largely unique to the western world. Most of the world uses android devices by far.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Western World
Did you mean mostly just the US?
Android has almost 83% market share in the EU.
An interesting fact while researching is that Iphone has over a 99% market share in North Korea. I assumed that the data might be thrown off by one individual maybe owning like ten thousand Iphones… but surprisingly NK is more connected then I thought with like 7M registered cellular devices
turkalino@lemmy.yachts 11 months ago
In the US, every millenial is a communist until a green bubble shows up in the group chat… then the poverty jokes commence
GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 11 months ago
Millennials are pushing 40
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Oof, that hurts.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
gen z*
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Dumb kids are always dumb. And cruel.
nolannice@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think it’s hated because they’re synonymous with broken group chats and low res photos. Hopefully EU forcing rss adoption fixes these instead of having to download an app to ‘fit in’.
gregorum@lemm.ee 11 months ago
why should the EU have anything to do with who “fits in”?
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
EU implements legislation forcing Android + Apple to use standards that actually work properly with each other. (they usually spearhead this type of change)
People using android no longer break group chats or have terrible sent image/video quality when messaging Iphone users.
With this ammunition gone, teens stop using it to attack each other for their familys (lack of) income. Ie those kids ‘fit in’ better.
gregorum@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Oh, OK. I did misunderstand what you were saying.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’d say it’s people using Apple that break group chats, since Apple doesn’t utilize SMS/MMS correctly.
Not Android’s fault that Apple butchers MMS quality.
Though carriers have some culpability here, even if a carrier allowed higher quality MMS (Verizon), iPhone still wouldn’t use that capability, while Android can if configured to do so.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
I’m absolutely blown away by the number of people who actually think this is about bubble colors…
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Well it is because that bubble color on Apple means issues for people on Apple devices.
I have millenial family members, they hear it from their peers. Probably even worse in younger folks.
Yoz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
People are dumb af
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s all the other features in iMessage that android users “ruin” in group chats. Things like read receipts, typing indicators, reactions, animated/spoiler text messages, sending media in full quality, etc… A single android user is enough to downgrade an entire group chat, so apple users tend to be a little bit resentful.
It’d be a little bit like if one person on a Discord server disabled all the fun parts of Discord, and it killed the functionality for everyone on that server. Now nobody in the server can add fun little reactions to messages, or start threads, or send embedded gifs. All because that one person decided they didn’t like it.
PobrePerformer@lemmy.pt 11 months ago
All because that one person decided they didn’t like it.
More like “all because Discord decided to remove those things from anyone not using Windows”
Nothing in this scenario is in the users hands, it’s all Apple, what any given user likes or want makes no difference.
ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This shit seems like a perfect target for an antitrust suit, no?
FaeDrifter@midwest.social 11 months ago
Apple, Google, and Microsoft commit antitrust violations too fast and numerous for the legal systems to keep up.
That and they spy on consumers for the US government so that gives them free passes at a lot of things.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Doesn’t bother me at all.
pizza_the_hutt@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
The issue isn’t so much the message color. It’s the ability to send videos that aren’t potato quality and other media.
gregorum@lemm.ee 11 months ago
oh, can’t android users receive high-quality videos and photos? after 16 years of smartphones, you’d think they’d have that figured out…
mcqtom@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah the whole reason Apple won’t allow it is because they expect you to conclude exactly this.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
👆 your average apple user, oblivious to the world around them
gregorum@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Newsflash: and android isnt “the world”, and if you think it is, then maybe I’m not the one who’s so oblivious
Mountaineer@aussie.zone 11 months ago
It’s not the android side that’s failing, it’s Apples refusal to implement anything other than SMS for cross ecosystem compatibility.
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s also why third party messaging apps like Whatsapp are thriving, much to the consternation of every person on the network. I used to be able to pick up the phone and call or message anyone. Now I need to check compatibility first. Wtf apple.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Even worse, I can send high quality images and video from android to iPhone if they’re both on Verizon. When the iPhone sends it back, it’s trashed.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
iOS can’t send hi quality videos or images over SMS. It’s a choice made by Apple.
I can send large videos (more than 50mb, for sure) over SMS from my Android phone on Verizon to a Verizon iPhone. They receive it in same quality. When they send it back, the iPhone butchers it.
Verizon, unlike other carriers, doesn’t seem to have an MMS size limit.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Android to Android, sure.
But Apple and Google refuse to play nicely with each other, so Android to Iphone or Iphone to Android both suck.
It’s not a lack of capability, it’s the refusal to implement it to try and force users to pick a side.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Yeah this is a gross mischaracterization of the situation.
Google is more than happy to “play nicely” with Apple. Apple is the one holding out.
They totally do “play nicely” on literally every messenger app in existence except iMessage, which is the only SMS app you’re allowed to use on iOS. This is not any sort of hardware or software limitation, this is purely greed from Apple to control their users and create a walled garden.
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Google chat, or whatever they call it now, fixed that.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
You need to think of iMessage as Google messages, Whatsapp, telegram, signal, etc. Except this is only installed on iPhones and they want everyone to know it. It’s arrogant and stupid. The app could just be released for Android and it would be no different than the others I mentioned.
bratosch@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That is not the issue. At all. Lol
creed10@lemmy.world 11 months ago
you can when it’s android to android. as soon as an iphone is in play, the iphone immediately decreases the quality, even though the MMS standard allows for attachments up to 100MB in size
sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social 11 months ago
Android uses RCS now, a higher quality and more feature rich standard than SMS. However… Apple hasn’t added it to iOS, so it doesn’t work to send to iPhones and they receive bog-standard SMS from Android devices.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
iOS can’t send hi quality videos or images over SMS. It’s a choice made by Apple.
I can send large videos (more than 50mb, for sure) over SMS from my Android phone on Verizon to a Verizon iPhone. They receive it in same quality. When they send it back, the iPhone butchers it.
Verizon, unlike other carriers, doesn’t seem to have an MMS size limit.
drislands@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’re joking, right?
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Which should go away anyway once Apple bakes in RCS support
tb_@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Which they will surely do with no caveats whatsoever.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They’re doing the GSMA standard and nothing else. I think they refuse to play ball with any standard Google controls either directly or indirectly.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
They’re not doing encryption, because Google is using their own.
RCS is too little, too late. It sucks. I refuse to ever use it.