I mean always starts with an inch but what people dont get is that compared to the 2000’s we are a mile deep and compared to rhe 80’s we are already in a dystopia.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 12 hours ago
A one day wait period to install an app on your mobile pocket computer. Fucken bullshit.
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
Nester@feddit.uk 12 hours ago
It appears that the “security wait” will be a one time thing when you first allow installing from unverified sources. After enabling it it will remain on indefiniately.
Not quite as bad as I was fearing, but will kinda annoying.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 10 hours ago
“Not quire as bad”? My dude, you have to ask for permission from a corporation to installa an app on your phone that you supposedly own and paid for. On what planet is this not awful?
Nester@feddit.uk 2 hours ago
Yep, it’s pretty bad, it sets a bad precedent, and has me looking for alternatives.
When it was originally announced I got the impression that Google would soon be removing the ability to sideload apps altogether and as I almost entirely use apps installed from “untrusted” sources this would have been a nightmare for me.
So while I think this whole situation is shit, and will almost certainly lead to Google removing the ability to sideload apps in the future, for me the immediate anxiety has been lifted.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 2 hours ago
You do realize that what you’re saying might’ve been the goal all along? It’s literally a “I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it further” vader moment and you’re saying you’re relieved. Make no mistake, you, me and avery single Android user was just fucked over and it’ll only get worse.
Humanius@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
And that is the tactic commonly used to slowly boil the frog.
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 4 hours ago
This is happening to PCs now too, eg. with the OS ‘age-gating’ laws that IMO only exist to quell competition for MS, Google, and Apple.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 2 hours ago
I sincerely doubt that will actually come into fruition. There’s no way to force all linux distros to have that. At least I hope there isn’t.
007ace@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
It looks like a glorified ‘developer mode’ switch that has the 1 day wait to prevent someone from grabbing your phone, turning on sideloading, installing some hazardous app, and then having their way with your info. This appears to be the best of both worlds.
Like when unlocking your bootloader wiped your info. Just do it first. not a year in to using your device, if thats your plan.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 2 hours ago
When has your imaginary scenario ever been a problem? Can you name a single example where that has happenned? Stop making excuses for corporations fucking over their users.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
If they’re already into your phone there’s so many legitimate ways to extract your data. The ability to sideload an app won’t impact that.
CEbbinghaus@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Sure. Because as we know people grabbing your unlocked phone to sideload apps onto it is an almost daily occurrence. Which of us hasn’t had a stranger install a cryto miner while we looked away for a second.
Get real. This is an imaginary problem affecting the 0.01% they are using to tell you this action is justifiable. Getting more control is the aim of their game
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Lmfao. I’ll invent a better way and it will only take me negative 50 years.
Passcode.
There is absolutely nothing positive about this. It is only nefarious, full stop. I could open a million dollar restaurant that served microwaved cat shit, but on the menu it’s called “Tbone Steak” and with your logic, people wouldn’t notice the difference.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
Oh yeah, because those guys seriously can’t wait a day
This has nothing to do with security
Zorque@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
So this feature is disabled if you have a pin?
magguzu@lemmy.pt 9 hours ago
Until you have to help someone install an app not available to them.
Xfinity stream for example is not on the Chromecast play store, even though an Android build exists on the Fire TV store. I had to guide my dad through this. In this case it wouldn’t be possible for 24 hours.
Had a similar issue with an app not available in a friend’s region.
I could live with the whole flow minus the delay. This is shit, just pure shit.
sonofearth@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
sushhh… the shareholders’ imaginary line has to go up.
1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Well if you’re in the US you can head down to your LGS, buy a Glock 19 and do some plinking while you wait for the software to install on your phone :/
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
I think it is a reasonable compromise. They could have made it a day wait for any and every time you wanted to side load like this. It prevents accidental or malicious activation, while also giving you the feature you want with the smallest of roadblocks as confirmation you want it.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
People this willing to let a corporate, self-enriching nanny state erode their ability to use the products they paid for terrify me.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
In the sales world, this effect is called “price anchoring” and is used by tons of companies. All those sales you see where something is “marked down 50%!” are using a manufacturers price that does exist in real life to get that 50% markdown. In reality, the sale price is just the actual price of the item but people see the “huge discount” and think they’re getting a deal.
ag10n@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Long live lineagos
grue@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Things like LineageOS are a workaround, not a solution.
The solution has to be legal, not technical. Companies have to be stopped from trying to fuck with users’ property rights in the first place!
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Hyperbole much?
This is a basic balance between the needs of the few, and the security of the many. The benefits of a one day speed bump are far more beneficial for the billions of Android users in the world, and offer no meaningful negatives to those that wish to enable this feature beyond that delay.
I realize that many people here are in or adjacent to IT work, and so are more passionate about these sorts of topics and are well versed in the risks, but in my opinion, allowing a simple, immediate way to bypass all security checks and install whatever you want immediately is a pretty big security hole, even if it is self-created. It makes sense to put those roadblocks up to protect the 99.9% that will never use this feature, as well as those that may activate it not understanding the risk. You may be comfortable with it, and that’s great, but that doesn’t mean every Android should. This is why prompts asking about coercion and not your IT prowess.
Finally. your example is poor. Google is not breaking into your phone and hurting you in way. If anything, it’s like a real estate agent that’s not giving you the keys until the bank opens so your check can clear. It’s a process issue, nothing more.
Your ability to use your device, as you see fit, installing anything you want, is entirely possible with a single one-day delay. As I said, I don’t think it is an unreasonable ask, nor the enormous inconvenience you make it out to be.
grte@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
I don’t need google telling me what I can put on this fucking phone I bought and paid for.
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
And they’re not. Load all the unsigned stuff you want after you wait one day. Again, I don’t see how this is a huge burden to ask.
markz@suppo.fi 9 hours ago
It sure is a completely unnecessary burden designed as a deterrant.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 11 hours ago
What is it a compromise between? People who think they own the thing they paid for and people who don’t?
markz@suppo.fi 11 hours ago
Obviously we need to find a middle ground between owning the things we purchase, and not owning them. Having access, but making it annoying is a very reasonable option.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 10 hours ago
Why? We are paying full price for these devices and nothing in any agreement made at the time of purchase suggests that you don’t own them. Why is it necessary to meet a middle ground between “you got what you paid for” and “you didn’t”?
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
I realize you are making a joke, and I agree that purchase is always better than subscription. Everyone in this situation owns their device.
But that doesn’t mean an easy to activate security bypass should be made available to everyone with no guardrails, either, should it?
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 11 hours ago
A reasonable compromise would be not telling people what they can and can’t do on devices they paid for. If Google wants that level of control, they can buy my phone for me.
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
While I understand your sentiment, with all due respect, they are giving you the control with this process. You’re only mad you have to wait one day one time before you can do it.
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 8 hours ago
I don’t have to do shit, because I Graphene for the same reason I use Linux. I’m not interested in asking a corporation for permission to do what I want.
meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
No. Fuck all of that. I will not have some fucking Corp tell me what I can install and when on my own goddamn hardware.
If they want to implement something like this, make it an opt-in toggle during device setup to put the phone into nanny mode
alekwithak@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
One day wait period to enable installing third party apps. Afterwards no extra wait time or verification.
Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
There shouldnt be any wait. Its stupid and completely arbitrary
MrQuallzin@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
For now. Don’t fight to give them an inch
Dojan@pawb.social 9 hours ago
It used to be no time at all. You could just do it. From that perspective they’ve already taken a mile.
frongt@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
From zero to anything is infinite miles