Comment on WHO officials admit they are preparing for possible nuclear weapon use in Iran

IvyisAngy@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Tbf it could be Israel that drops a nuke, but same difference.

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  • wheezy@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Honestly, unless they do it without Trump’s knowledge, I don’t think Trump would pass up the opportunity of being the one to press the button.

    Obviously, geographically it would come from Israel. But Trump would definitely want to be given the “glory”.

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    • Monument@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Do you think they are gonna gold leaf a trivia buzzer for that slobbering idiot to paw at while he continues to pretend he’s in a movie?

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  • altphoto@lemmy.today ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Cancer for you and I and malformities of our grandkids.

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    • jaemo@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And 2 pariah states with legacies they will never outlive.

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    • wheezy@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Grandkids? If nukes go off I’d say like 1% or less of the current population, that don’t have kids already, end up having grandkids.

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• eatCasserole@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think if anyone is going to use a nuclear weapon, it’ll be israel.

  The US can pull out, president man-baby can write a fanfiction about himself winning the war, and all his thugs can turn their attention to some other debacle, but israel will always be within range of Iranian missiles.

  Without US support (and many Americans, even some of the really evil ones, have had enough of israel at this point) it could end up facing an existential threat. They’ve shown again and again that they have absolutely no regard for human life, and they don’t even seem to consider blowback most of the time. I believe this is by far the most likely nuclear scenario.

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  • azertyfun@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Nuclear weapons are great at leveling cities, but not so great at destroying military infrastructure. On a per-dollar basis they actually kind of suck as weapons of war. From a purely rational strategic perspective, they’re most useful as a deterrent (which is how Israel has been using them). Netanyahu is an imperialist genocidal maniac but he’s not dumb.

    Whereas if and when Trump does get his wish to pop a nuke, it won’t be for strategic gain but because he just couldn’t be restrained anymore. This absolute moron wanted to nuke a fucking hurricane FFS. It’s only a matter of time before he gets his wish since the US military has lost all ability to tell him no.

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    • berg@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Israel has already shown their willingness to flatten cities and a blatant disregard for civilian life. Their president and a large majority of citizens believe “there are no innocents in Gaza”, and that every child born is “already a terrorist from the moment of his birth”.

      Israel would consider a launch far before the US ever would. The US can sail away to safety whenever they choose, but Israel cannot. In the event Israel suffers enough damage, the Samson Option would be considered.

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      • azertyfun@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        So that’s making a very critical assumption: that Israel’s territory is being existentially threatened. Iran simply does not have the military capability to do that. And Hamas/Hezbollah is not an existential threat to Israel’s existence despite propaganda to the contrary. We’ve already seen the full extent of their military capabilities.

        The Samson Option is a one time, last-resort deterrence option for when all other defensive and offensive mechanisms have failed. Israel’s small size and geopolitical situation basically requires such deterrence against a neighbor who might decide to blitzkrieg into Tel Aviv. Iran simply does not possess that capability.

        If Netanyahu pops a nuke for any other reason, he fundamentally shifts his neighbors’ calculus in favor of uniting and attacking Israel because nukes are explicitly not a last resort anymore, therefore Israel becomes an immediate existential threat to all its neighbors that must be dealt with accordingly.

        That’s the thing with nuclear deterrence: it works, but only if your enemies are clear on the lines they can’t cross. Otherwise you’re just a threat to be eliminated. And ultimately there’s only so much that propaganda can help with there. Israel may have convinced a majority of their citizens that genocide is good, but they can’t propagandize their enemies into believing that preemptive nuclear strikes are necessary. Netanyahu can whine about Iran’s nuclear program all he wants, none of his enemies seriously believe they are close to having nukes.

        Using nuclear weapons as anything but a last resort is therefore an awful gamble that very significantly (if not entirely) weakens nuclear deterrence… All for relatively little military gain. There’s very little a nuke would do that Israel can’t do to Iran with conventional weapons. While there’s a whole lot that nukes don’t do to a prepared enemy with spread out military and command infrastructure.

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    • green_goglin@thelemmy.club ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Bibi and Trump are both desperate and fueled by their own selfish motivations. That being said it’s not a question of stupidity but rather of myopic self-preservation.

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      • azertyfun@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s the point, I can’t see how it would help Netanyahu with self-preservation. Going nuclear would be unpopular and ineffective as Israelis understand that their arsenal is more effective in a “will they won’t they” deterrence capacity. He wants constant war and doesn’t need nukes to get it.

        Now what he might do is convince Trump to send nukes and pretend he had nothing to do with it. It’s not like Trump is hard to manipulate and Miller probably loves the idea to begin with.

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• tmyakal@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The threat has been there since Trump said he wanted to resume nuclear weapon testing even though every expert said it was an absolutely terrible idea.

  He wants to order a nuclear strike on something. He’s been trying to find the right excuse.

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Im the opposite, it was the first thing i thought of when he made that speech in january, when he became president again. I hope there are people in America who will refuse to use nuclear weapons, because otherwise they are more insane than i realized.

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• WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Iran at this point is likely going to be forced to make a sprint for the bomb. What else are they supposed to do, just accept that Israel will periodically bomb them every few months and kill thousands of people each time? The only path Iran has to security is nukes.

  At the same time, it seems now that Israel and the US really don’t have a way of preventing Iran from getting the bomb. The US, let alone Israel, doesn’t even have a military large enough to occupy Iran. And any attempted occupation of Iran would be Iraq times ten. Wave after wave of suicide bombers and IEDs.

  Israel and the the US have put Iran in the position where it really needs to push for nukes. At the same time, Israel and the US really don’t have any good way to prevent Iran from finishing their weapons program. They already have highly enriched uranium, and it’s a giant country with countless places to hide centrifuges and bomb-making equipment. The US and Israel are really good at hacking communications and locating potential targets, but I imagine the Iranian regime is quickly moving entirely to analog methods of communication. Literally bringing out the typewriters. I really don’t see how the US and Israel can really stop the Iranians from getting the bomb.

  No way…except one. If Iran really wants to push for nukes, the only way to really stop them would be to use nukes against them. You might not be able to find a bomb program divided and scattered in a hundred locations across Tehran, but that doesn’t matter if you simply make Tehran cease existing in its entirety.

  That’s what has me so worried about this. The US and Israel are simultaneously forcing Iran to rush for the bomb, while at the same time, the US and Israel have no real conventional method to prevent the Iranians from finishing their nukes.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I can think of an effective way to keep iran from getting nuclear weapons. Agree to and honor a treaty.

    What do you mean we tried that and it was working until dipshit donny interfered

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    • group_hug@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Trump has shown time and again that his agreements are worthless.

      In fact this war was launched in the middle of negotiations that were going very well and we’re likely to result in anti nuclear deal that was even better than the Obama one

      theguardian.com/…/uk-security-adviser-attended-us…

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  • Brkdncr@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s always a way out. Iran could pull a crazy and offer to let oil through if the US stops supporting Israel, builds as much power generation as they want, and enters a defense agreement to protect Iran from unprovoked foreign attacks.

    There is always room for diplomacy.

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    • Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Usa stop supporting israel lol surely you jest. Our politicians have been payed off for the last 50 years just google the presidents kissing the wall no just team red or blue its all of them.

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    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Get real. Israel possesses high-definition video of half of our business and political leaders fucking literal children. Epstein was an Israeli intelligence operation created to control the American ruling class.

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      • Town@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        If enough people are guilty then it doesn’t really matter anymore. It can’t be a weaponized political tool at that point.

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    • freebee@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There is no more room for diplomacy when the ones you have to agree with have already backstabbed you before. Donald trump is the biggest problem this world has currently. Even less reliable and less predictable than Putin. Why won’t these old men just die already. Trump is clearly demented on top of being stupid and an asshole.

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• wheezy@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You must be a well adjusted person and don’t follow his speeches or interviews a lot.

  If you’re as brain rotted as me you’ll learn his “jokes” or “I’m not saying buts” are him testing responses to actual things he wants to do.

  He has been talking about “the N word” (Nuclear) for awhile. He wants to be a president that is remembered. He doesn’t view history as a person with morality would. He does not care if he’s remembered as a Hitler. He definitely would drop a nuke if the opportunity presented itself.

  The only thing stopping him is the restraint of people in his admin. Not the people we see on TV. But the actual military leaders. And these military leaders are not moral either. They are simply concerned with whether is it strategically helpful to use one. Nukes are really not useful in warfare. I think this is literally the last line of sanity that keeps it from happening. We are all relying on war crazed genocide supporting military leaders to not see it as a good strategic option.

  However, Iran is different. Trump cannot admit it was a mistake. His ego will not let him. And the military cannot secure trade routes without boots on the ground and hundreds of thousands of American military deaths.

  So, well, those military leaders are being put in a corner. My only hope is that a military coup would be much more reasonable to them than dropping nukes.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I hope someone can convince him that dropping a classic would be best and then we have a sideshow Bob situation Image

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• panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’ve been thinking they’ll use the bikes since they started this thing.

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  • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Same. The rest of NATO would condemn it and kick us out, but they’re not going to retaliate. Russia and China aren’t going to retaliate. It’s a chance to do it and get away with it to the sounds of condemnation but no direct consequences to the people who order it. It allows them to project their power and willingness to go to the extreme. I don’t even think it would be a move of desperation as much as a “because we can”. They love to be perceived as intimidating and project strength.

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    • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If the US nukes Iran I want my government to sever all ties. No matter the amount of damage that does to us, you cannot let that shit pass.

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      • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I wish more nations would start severing ties currently, or at least sanctioning, imposing tariffs, refusing to do business with American based businesses. Hopefully people in other nations are already avoiding purchasing as much US product as they can. It won’t bankrupt the oligarchs but it’ll get passed on to the rest of us. Conservatives will abide all sorts of cruelty and injustice so long as people they don’t like are getting hurt. But you’ll never find a bigger “victim” than a conservative when the leopards arrive. His loyalists won’t turn on him but the ones who tolerated the hate because they thought it would benefit them will, and if they have to suffer business losses, foreclosures, and poverty as a result, good.

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        If the US nukes Iran I want an embargo. I live in California. Y’all fuckers better make a godsdamned example if it happens, just I would appreciate if y’all didn’t nuke me back. Or if you do, please send coordinates in advance so’s I can decide how much more ghoulification to go through

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  • 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve been waiting for this particular shoe to drop since 2016.

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  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The US dropped 88,500 tonnes of bombs in Iraq. That was over twice Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

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    • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m not going to say what the IS did in Iraq was good, but it wasn’t nuclear bombs bad.

      They did use depleted uranium rounds, so they did spread radioactive waste indiscriminately, but the scale is very different.

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• WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m honestly surprised the threat of such hasn’t come up before this.

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  • sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think it has and we just haven’t heard about it.

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  • flandish@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    the US has used them before…

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    • WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean recently… Obviously.

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      • flandish@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        stop thinking like that. ww2 was recent; there are folks still alive suffering from it. on a “national age scale” 80 years is nothing.

        the US pivoted so hard to make the war make a lot of profit for a lot of people / businesses who are still operating today. it was a capitalist dream, here in the states.

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• beejboytyson@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ya I WAS in that boat, till I found out he a pedo bb eater. Now it’s very probable, he has to win. If one goes down, they all do and they know that.

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