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clot27@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Its funny how people act as if kamala lost because she supported genocide
No lol, leftists hold miniscule power in electorate, kamala lost because she ran a shitty campaign and neo liberal economics will only make things worse for incumbent.
Some factors for losing:
Her loss was a combination of many factors, including the support of genocidal Zionism. Do not ignore it.
I not sure what to call it, but there is definitely an issue in our country of picking the “popular kid”, or “cool kid”
Charisma matters more than it should.
I voted for Kamala, but I was pissed we didn’t have a fucking primary. If we had a primary, we might have gotten Bernie on the ballot, or Elizabeth Warren, or Butegig, or anyone else. But instead Biden claimed to be running, then dropped out at the last minute so opps no time for primaries. I’m salty as hell that democrats didn’t get a choice. It felt deliberate and coordinated.
Whoopie, the man who promised to be one term ran for another just long enough to ensure no one actually got a say in who to run.
Certainly a mistake from the people who argued in court and won with it that they don’t have to have honest primaries.
neo libs must choose… either there is not enough progressives to demand a progressive candidate so they are not a large enough block to have changed the outcome OR they are large enough bloc to demand progressive cannidate and the democrats ignoring them cost them the election.
and they always pivot talking points
Schrodinger’s left: small enough for Dems to ignore, large enough to make Dems lose
The enemy is both strong and weak.
It’s almost like they’re fascist lite…
There’s a reason actual leftists refer to these losers as “social fascists”
Liberals vastly prefer fascism to actual justice.
Funny, that works just as well in reverse: If “the left” is big enough that all the posturing about not voting for the lesser evil, and the moral purity BS caused Trump to win, they are responsible for untold horrors simply because they want to grand stand. If they aren’t big enough, they’re irrelevant anyway, so why would anyone care?
actully, it specifically CAN’T work the other way
If the left is small, then it was rightly ignored, but can’t be blamed. If it’s large, then it could be blamed, had it not been ignored. What you can’t do is both ignore it and then blame it.
This isn’t feudalism, it’s not the job of the peasants to mollify the Lord, getting votes is a politician’s job. Blaming the electorate for your loss is an abrogation of responsibility.
Also I don’t think voters appreciated having her shoved in at the last minute.
This. Democrats had no primary for presidential choice.
Kamala lost because it was obvious from the beginning that she was a bad candidate whose only hope of becoming President was to be parachuted into the role via the 25th Amendment once Biden’s mental state truly deteriorated. Unfortunately for her and the DNC, Biden’s condition declined right as a key presidential debate rolled around, and his declining cognitive health became so utterly apparent that not even Reddit’s tyrannical cabal of power mods could cover it up anymore.
Before that debate, even merely suggesting that Biden was senile would have gotten you labelled a Nazi and banned from at least a dozen subreddits.
THAT is why she lost to a convicted felon.
Did you watch the debates between Biden and Trump. Biden was far more articulate and sane than trump, and it still wasn’t enough.
Who said they were going to beat medicare and had an eyeball get bloody on stage?
Both were senile racist bastards, one has always been incoherent, one was more recently incoherent.
Nah he was just quiet senile instead of loud senile. I’ve had patients that are rather agreeable despite low cognitive function. They don’t wind up in the hospital as much and get discharged quicker because the agreeableness means they can accept home caregivers more safely, but they very much still need assistance.
Both of them were clearly demented. Trump just making shit up and Biden interrupting him to mumble incoherent, ending in “We Beat Medicaid!”
Sure, but republicans don’t care if their candidate is sane (obviously). Democrats do.
The Gaza issue seems to have been pretty big
she was a presto candidate for 100 days leading up to the election, against a former president that had been campaigning non stop for 6 years. She was fucked over and thrown under a bus.
She had good momentum at the start with the brat summer thing and calling conservatives weird and then, very suddenly, she threw it all in the trash and started running around with Liz Cheney. They saw her amping up the progressives and needed to put a stop to it and whether it was her idea or not she jumped in there with all her energy.
She could have won, she didn’t lose by much, but she desperately spent the last month or two making sure that everyone knew she would rather lean conservative than progressive.
I felt like she was a token black women as a VP, and not allowed to be any more than that. As much as the dems espouse equality its still a rich white man who is against universal healthcare running things.
Its very hard to discern the real reason Harris lost in the election. Especially with interference the Right orchestrated with mail in voting and voting IDs, they tanked the left’s momentum while gassing Trump’s reelection with actual fraud. The results of numerous investigations was that if someone committed fraud or voted twice it was for a Republican candidate… but don’t worry isn’t not like Trump controlled the swing districts and threw away votes for Harris.
and voting IDs
Just another reminder: Read the SAVE Act and start getting together valid ID under it now, don’t wait to find out if it’s going to pass first. Valid ID has other uses too so it’s not a total waste if it doesn’t pass and gets you ahead of both the line and any GOP fuckery with trying to get ID if it does pass.
Especially if you are someone who has ever changed their name, as SAVE allows for some forms of voter ID that don’t verify citizenship, but those have to be paired with a birth record with a matching name, which doesn’t exist if you have ever changed your name (such as being a married woman, or many trans folks).
“Trump on Elon Musk: ‘He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide.’”
Not totally convinced she lost.
“No new wars” was a trump slogan, leftists aren’t the only ones against the genocide, pretty much everyone who doesn’t have ties with israel was pissed with US involvement.
She lost because the average voter votes for whatever name they’ve heard before.
no, she lost became 1/3 of Americans failed to vote.
Which wouldn’t have happened if she ran a good campaign.
Show me a good campaign that accepts AIPAC money. I want to know what you think a good genocide supporting Democrat looks like.
Show me a good campaign that accepts AIPAC money.
Pick pretty much any winning campaign on either side in something like the last half century. In context a “good campaign” doesn’t mean a campaign holding up to whatever your particular markers of moral purity are (which includes but certainly are not limited to “does not support Israel”), but rather a campaign that is effective at getting elected.
what makes you think that?
they didn’t all protest the vote. I would say most of them just didn’t vote because they couldn’t be bothered.
however, enough of the protest votes would have swung the election in her favor.
Had they not lost the forest through the trees, we’d have manageable problems right now.
however, enough of the protest votes would have swung the election in her favor.
I have never seen a single piece of data to back up a claim like that. If you have, I’d love to see it
they didn’t all protest the vote. I would say most of them just didn’t vote because they couldn’t be bothered.
I would guess this is true, but this is a failure of the candidate, not the electorate. In a country without mandatory voting or a national holiday for elections, motivating your base is extremely important, especially when you base is working class people who are less likely to be able to take time off to vote. Even ignoring her centrist economic platform and genocide support, her strategy was explicitly to target disaffected Republicans instead of energizing her own base, and that strategy failed. Kamala and the incompetent consultants she surrounded herself with own this loss, and whining about the voters won’t change that.
The turnout was actually rather high by historical standards. A portion of the population not voting is just a constant of elections. You can’t blame your loss on something that happens every election. And worse, in recent elections, Democrats do WORSE when turnout is higher. If turnout were higher, Kamala would have lost even worse.
I can easily blame lazy shitheads for doing nothing to stop fascism.
Watch me.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
America doesn’t have a left wing. America has a right wing and an extreme right wing. The closest to an actual leftist that America has is Mamdani, and America’s so-called left wing politicians tried their best to make him look evil.
stoly@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Don’t forget Bernie and AOC.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
It’s about time America stops electing people who need to be in elder care homes as their politicians.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
I agree with the age issues, but america needs politicians with integrity. Not words but a track record demonstrating integrity. Few fit that bill