Comment on Apple removes app created by Andrew Tate

thecam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I agree, but this is not the app to die for.

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• wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I mean, sure, I will almost always die on this hill - but for something that supports harming women (or people in general), and/or is part of a pyramid scheme? Naw dawg ima dip out for a second and go get some smokes (and also never come back).

  Now, if it was like an app that was supporting human rights or something that is being removed, sure, it’s bad to have an entity control what you see/hear/interact with. And there may be gray areas between those two examples. But suppressing a human(s) just because the developer has a tiny pp and needs to overcompensate to the max? And try to gain traction and supporters to do the same? Uhh, no fucking way.

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  • thecam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean, sure, I will almost always die on this hill - but for something that [Insert excuse here]

    Now, if it was like an app that [Insert app that I like], sure.

    Really bro? Lets say you liked Jimmy. Jimmy was a contraversal guy and Jimmy had the Jimmy app on the App Store. Then Apple took down the Jimmy app since they do not like Jimmy, Jimmy is too contraversal, Jimmy triggers too many people online.

    You either die on this hill of being against censorship or you don’t.

    You do not have to like or support Andrew Tate to be against his app being taken off the App Store.

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    • hedgehog@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This app didn’t get taken down because it was by a “controversial” guy. It got taken down because content in the app encouraged violence and because the app itself was a pyramid scheme (People had to pay $50/month just to use the app, with promises of rewards if they got more people to join).

      Google removed the app from their store, too. Yes, you can still probably install it from their website or a third party app store on Android, and yes, it would be great if third party app stores and sideloading existed for iOS (and they kinda do, though they’re very limited) but even if they did exist it would be reasonable to expect every single one of them to refuse to host this app (especially if “hosting” entails accepting payments).

      Tate can still host this via the web. He can even build a progressive web app for it. I suspect he’ll run into issues collecting that $50 monthly payment any way other than by crypto, though, since I suspect most payment processors will refuse to work with him.

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      • thecam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The app was taken down because it had Andrew Tate’s name on it, lets not kid ourselves.

        Even if you were correct on why the app was taken down due to “it will cause violence”, minus well ban all social media apps and messanging apps.

        If the app was banned due to it being a scam (which is not the case), that is reasonable to protect users, but still sucks since even if the app was banned with the excuse of it being a scam, iOS users are SOL since there is no alternative way to really install apps on iOS.

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    • Lantern@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I feel like your negative opinion of censorship is so strong that it overpowers your morality. Would you let a serial killer walk around shouting that we should kill everyone just for the sake of preventing censorship, or would you insist they’re locked up? See, even you have your limit.

      Its a less extreme example, but the same logic applies here. We shouldn’t just let misogyny grow for the sake of ‘freedom’. That’s how you end up with stuff like the Nazis. Classic bystander mentality.

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      • thecam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        An app won’t kill anyone on its own. Just like how guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

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    • Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not censorship. Censorship is something demanded of by a government. As a business owner if you use the assets of my business I am passively participating and enabling you to spread your message. If I find out what you do is horrible I have the right to retract any level of my participation from your endeavor. You are still allowed to say whatever you want but I am NOT compelled to help you even passively.

      We have protected classes to stop people from uaing this right to exile vulnerable groups from being able to use all servicea in society this way as a counter measure to this right but if the form of removal is not based automatically out of what body you are walking around in or what your religious beliefs are and the ban doesn’t apply unilaterally to all members of your group for that sole reason - then it is valid.

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• ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Sounds like you’re trying to justify defending a rapist.

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  • thecam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I am criticizing the closed garden iOS ecosystem. This has nothing to do with Andrew Tate except the fact his app was censored for being “contraversal”.

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    • atzanteol@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Controversial”? No - he’s an asshole and horrible person.

      If your think he’s simply controversial then that says a lot more about you than Apple.

      Apple should allow installing apps from third parties.

      Apple should not let this asshole sell his app on their store.

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      • thecam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sigh. Your pro censorship and think those who are not are horrible. What a surprise.

        Read my other comments in this thread to see why I can care less who it is. Weather it is an asshole or an angel.

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• gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I love going onto the profiles of people that make dumbass comments like this because it’s never a 1 off dumb comment that got downvotes, it’s always that their profile is filled with either lazy troll comments or just stupid bullshit.

  And this guy is certainly no exception, my favourite is him denying climate change and trying to claim that its all just a communist conspiracy.

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  • ilmagico@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Or stuff like:

    Someone needs to firebomb the school board.

    oh wait, that was you…

    Honestly, I don’t care if he’s a climate denier or full on conspiracy theorist about everything, even a broken clock is right twice a day right? So when they say something right, I acknowledge it (and even people like you that, based on their profile are usually a bit less crazy, occasionally say crazy things as above).

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    • gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How far back in my comment history did you have to go to find that one lol

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  • Dultas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Free heating for the masses?

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• ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I do think it’s hilarious how you’re viciously defending fraud and pyramid schemes. “People MUST be allowed to rob other people, and Apple MUST help and support theft!”

  Just amazing.

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  • NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    One thing I will say for the Open Source bros on here, they’re at least apolitically consistent. More than can be said for lots of ideologies these days.

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  • Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m surprised there was an all caps free speech somewhere in there tbh. 😅

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• nyctre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Dunno… this feels like the first genuinely good news I’ve heard apple linked with in a long while.

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  • thecam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How is censorship good news? Yeah this is all about Andrew Tate, but that is not the point. The point is that censorship is bad and censorship can occur on centralized app stores were it is done for “politicial” reasons.

    I don’t care if you think Andrew Tate is evil, it is the action of banning an app because “we do not like you”. That is the problem and Apple users have no choice since they are in a walled garden.

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    • Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yo, look into the tolerance paradox and get back to me

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      • ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s funny, because not only does he really not get what a sheep he is, but I’ve pasted the link to it on Wikipedia to him twice already. He’s really trying his hardest to stay as ignorant as possible.

        Ask him his opinion of tertiary education if you want a laugh :)

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      • ilmagico@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m not the person you were replying to, but here’s my take.

        We don’t need to tolerate intolerance, but that’s different than “freedom of speech”. We can still refuse to tolerate intolerance while still protecting freedom (I’m purposefully ignoring the whole “inciting violence” and “pyramid scheme” that would make this illegal, not just controversial, for the sake of this argument).

        Example: on Android, you can still sideload apps at your own risk, protecting freedom, while Google can still remove it from their store, and so refusing to tolerate intolerance. (wow am I really defending Google? Well I guess at least they used not to be evil).

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    • kimpilled@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Apple users do have a choice. Apple isn’t the only game in town. If those users disagree with Apple and want Tate shit, they can use a different platform.

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      • ilmagico@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So much choice! The can pick Android or … Android. Or Android.

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    • Neve8028@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Some censorship is good tbh.

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      • thecam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sigh

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      • ilmagico@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “land of the free” my ass … that’s the world we live in …

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• Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Google had this removed from the play store before lmao sure you could download the APK, but that’s way less user friendly and people he’s trying to target aren’t going to

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  • ilmagico@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Right, Google still allows some kind of freedom by allowing you to sideload the apk, while still doing the right thing and removing this abominations their store. Win win. Apple sucks (imho).

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• ilmagico@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  While I would never need anything with Andrew Tate’s name on it, I absolutely agree with the statement and that’s why I stick with android. Upvoted.

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• pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m not justifying a racist here but I’m just here to say I like sideloading apks. Fuck Andrew Tate.

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  • ilmagico@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Somebody else gets it. Thanks

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Then explain it better

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