The current state American society has been in for the last 10 to 15 years is heavily a consequence of Russian info ops. Many countries run info ops. But no country has done as much damage as Russia
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CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 1 month ago
To be fair, everyone’s views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, it’s quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isn’t really how people work.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, no. American Oligarchs did social media. Youtube, Twitter, facebook, instagram all American. First they did it for money now they are doing it openly for power. Cambridge Analytica, anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant all of these are made by Americans to poison the world. And they are going to do much worse with AI. Americans destroyed the world.
krunklom@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
You understand the difference between a medium and the content on that medium right?
That’s a rhetorical question since you clearly don’t.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Corporate control over an algorithm that decides who is served what content is a platform-agnostic tool of power over society. We’re seeing that danger manifest in old and new ways every single day. That lever of power allows whomever owns that particular medium to push whatever content they like. That is the entire motivation behind and purpose of the Fediverse and other decentralization efforts.
Zuck and muskrat separate populations, push propaganda and influence discussions at an unprecedented level. The control a single corporation, a single authoritarian point of power has over such vast swathes of population dwarfs the propagandic power of Goebbles and Stalin by a couple orders of magnitude.
hark@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Do you? Control over the medium is far more powerful than being a mere user of that medium.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Cambridge Analytica,
That’s British
anti-vax, Andrew Wakefield, the guy who started the antivax movement, is British
anti-trans, The US passed laws protecting trans people and many Americans are literally trans or allies. Russia however, is extremely anti-trans.
anti-abortion, See the above point
anti-immigrant See the above point, also, American is a country of immigrants and refugees, “Melting Pot,” America was one of the first countries to encourage and mobilize massive movements of immigrants, which sheltered them from oppressive governments looking to hurt them. This includes people fleeing from Russia and their wars.
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
The US passed laws protecting trans people and many Americans are literally trans or allies. Russia however, is extremely anti-trans.
ahh, to live in 2014 again.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Yea naw, my parents watch WeChat short videos and read their BS articles and they constantly regurgitate anti-Democrat rhetorics, and whenever someone gets shot by police, they fucking cheer, the homeless people, anyone with a “mental illness”, even George Floyd, they think trials are waste of time and resources, they want the system to just skip the trial and want the suspects dead.
Can’t even blame “Americans” for this, the CCP has full control of the content, they clearly aren’t censoring it.
WeChat is literally poisoning the Chinese Overseas Diaspora. Its another tentacle of the CCP’s power. There’s no doubt they also infect social media platforms like facebook, xitter, etc…They sow chaos, and untimately, whatever the CCP does damages the repututation of anyone who is ethnic Chinese or looks ethnic Chinese. They are infaming Sinophobia by being the worse representatives of my people. And all the abuse that I have endured from my parents is from this toxic culture, fuck this “filial piety” BS, fuck conservatism. I’ve been helping out in my parents bussiness, and they still say I’m useless. I really wanna go back in time and shoot confucious for inventing the stupid ass religion, fuck your 孝順, its literally parental indoctrination to control their children. Evil ass shit. Fuck confucious.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 month ago
I assumed the US was disseminating right-wing propaganda among the chinese diaspora, given that they do it with every other one.
What does China even get out of turning your parents into right-wing psychos? America gets a community that is happy to work with them against their home country.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
No other country has done as much? We’re gonna just ignore how much support Israel has thrown behind Trump? Netanyahu was meeting and communicating with him during the 2024 election cycle, all while ignoring the Biden administration! Snubbing a sitting president for a prospective candidate!
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
The trick is, every-time it looks like someone other than Russia is behind it, you just have to argue that Russia is secretly being them!
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We need a national online forum
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Yes, the solution to America’s problems is more centralized government control of information, to make sure that those evil ruskies can’t corrupt our pure
bodily fluidsinternet.LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I think you need a nap or something, because what you said isn’t anything I wrote.
First, the existence of the post office doesn’t stop you from using UPS or Fedex. Likewise, a government forum wouldn’t stop you from using other forums or social. And the government already got involved in socials like TikTok (deal currently being made), Truth Social, Twitter, and Meta - but because they aren’t explicitly OWNED by the government, we don’t have the same legal protections and cannot sue for rights that would normally be protected like free speech.
Just like how USPS can’t open packages without a warrant, but UPS and Fedex can just open whatever. The government gives you special protections that you can enforce via lawsuits.
The government would actually be losing control of information compared to the level they currently have it at. And so would advertisers and propagandists, because it would be much harder to make sock puppets and bots. FYI propaganda warfare is literally NOT democracy, it’s fascism and fascist control of info. We should each get a say, and what we say should stand on merit, not money. We deserve real communication so we can work on issues.
I already explained I love the Russian people, but not their fascist government.
Grow up and argue in good faith, ya piece of shit
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
You’re not wrong. I like to think I’m immune to proponganda because I’m anarchist but it’s pretty obvious that I can be fooled just as easily as anyone by the pretense of speaking truth to power
safesyrup@feddit.org 1 month ago
My then history teacher said everyone is affected by propaganda, even trained and studied individuals like him. To think you are immune to influence from other people is very naive.
Nasan@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
I’ve told co-workers that a person’s resilience against propaganda is a spectrum. No one is completely immune, but you can approach high levels of resilience at the cost of your sanity.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
That’s me. I’m naive af
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes, but most propaganda is not specifically fascist in nature.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Is there propaganda that is fascist in nature? It’s bad propaganda then. Can you give an example? Propaganda should always be for all good and everyone’s happiness. Specifics don’t matter, you can bring the followers wherever you want later.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
…yes. you have access to search engines
Photonic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
While that is true, some propaganda is definitely more harmful while some are relatively harmless.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 month ago
its one thing to have different kinds of propaganda , but RW only consume 1 kind of pure propaganda as thier sole source of information.
Valmond@lemmy.world 1 month ago
For sure, but the Kremlin is like Sauron, and most other propaganda is about which stew is best.
nialv7@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I am not going to believe your propaganda! My pristine, untainted thoughts won’t take this slander. /s
AreaKode@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The key is to be constantly aware of it. Never follow someone blindly.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
So, for example, don’t blindly accept casualty numbers for Russia directly from the Ukrainian government?
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s true, but you still follow some propaganda. You are aware of it, great, but what’s the difference between someone following the propaganda being aware of it and someone following it blindly?
Zink@programming.dev 1 month ago
Intent, mindfulness, and informed decision making?
I mean, knowing that something is technically propaganda does not make it wrong or make it taboo to repeat. The word has a negative connotation because it’s typically used to describe the “other” guys, sure, but its meaning is very broad.
If I were to say the phrase “fuck Nestle” or even just the term “DeGoogle” one could correctly label those as anti-corporate propaganda with an agenda to harm the interests of an untold number of shareholders. Heck, thanks to broadly diversified 401k investment fund options, I am probably one of them and future me could lose entire dollars.
Is anybody on Lemmy going to shake their finger at me for repeating those two pieces of targeted, agenda-driven propaganda though? I certainly don’t feel icky for saying it. I bet I could even say something negative about the president of the united states without feeling embarrassed. :]