I couldn’t get my head round this at all. Everyone used Skype where I worked, and it seemed hugely popular. By the time COVID happened, I was in another job, and all of a sudden everyone was going mad about this Zoom program. I’d never heard of it, but it just came out of nowhere and everyone on the planet was using it. How on earth Skype fumbled it so hard is absolutely staggering.
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TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Still find it absolutely wild that Microsoft fucked up during the global pandemic and allowed Zoom to slide right into the communications spot Skype should have been.
Fucking idiots.
based_raven@lemm.ee 10 months ago
boonhet@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Skype didn’t fumble it, Microsoft just doesn’t know how to strategy. When they bought Skype, they killed MSN and told people to move to Skype, whereas they should’ve integrated the two to make the transition seamless. Then they had both Teams and Skype for Business at the same time by the time COVID happened.
They messed up on every turn.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 10 months ago
IMHO, the pandemic just allowed everyone to see how much better of an experience Zoom had over Skype.
I worked in an office where half of corporate used Skype, and the cooler sub-brands used Zoom. No one in the main corporate office was happy about using Skype. Microsoft had been neglecting it for quite some time.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
how much better of an experience Zoom had over Skype.
I hate Zoom
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 10 months ago
Microsoft had been neglecting it for quite some time.
You’re right but that’s why they’re idiots 😄
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yeah, right before the pandemic it was becoming clear that Skype was in Keep The Lights On mode, and MS wanted to funnel all of those users into Teams. But Teams also sucked.
It’s a lot better than it used to be, but it still takes MS an ungodly amount of time to build basic features that have been in Slack / Zoom for a decade… and MS is one of the biggest companies in the world.
InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Microsoft has 1 massive disadvantage when it tries to enter new markets.
It has to deal with brutal cutthroat competition from its worst enemy: Microsoft.
Ms internal politics destroy almost all its successes, their politics are why theyve never really been a threat, for every skype there’s a teams which cuts them off at the knees lest it cost a division head their chance at a promotion.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
I personally blame stack ranking, invented by Jack Welch to justify cutting 20% of the company.
If you want to get mad, the Behind the Bastards episode on him explains why corporate America is what it is today.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I heard about that, some call it the “wasted decade” at MS. Top engineers refused to work together due to the stack ranking, not wanting draw the short end in the evaluations, when compared to each other.
A company I worked at 10 years ago also dabbled with it a bit, luckily not seriously. It was a consultancy form who hired top graduates from prestige universities, so it made even less sense. Dude, nobody is agerage or below here, you hire the best people after grilling them in interviews and a whole day assessment center. The bell curve just doesn’t make sense
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
My company does it and it’s fucking stressful. And just like you said, it doesn’t make a ton of sense.
Occasionally there are certainly people who are just there to ride coat tails but I see this behavior more in leadership than in the front lines.
Amir@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
MS Teams did become the standard in a lot of places now
boaratio@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I have to use Teams for work and it is absolute dog shit.
Amir@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
I never said it wasn’t dogshit, but Microsoft did win the corporate messenger race
Llewellyn@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Why? My experience is the opposite.
superkret@feddit.org 10 months ago
Try searching for something that was said in a chat last month.
Then follow what was said in reply.Now as an admin, try to delete an image someone has shared with the team.
But my biggest pet peeve, which annoys me literally every day, is how it shows a notification for a new message in your task bar.
You click on it, Teams opens how you left it, and you read the message.
But the notification stays. To get rid of it, you have to click on a different chat, then back on the one where the message was posted.
pdxfed@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Hey, RIM/Blackberry’s CEO went to mobile world Congress in 2010, 3 solid YEARS after the iPhone launched, was dominating and defining the smartphone world and said, “we feel touchscreen is not the future of mobile phones” and rolled out another hybrid touch/keyboard model like the 5 they already had
Blackberry was $150/share as of 2009 with the entire world in front of it. It’s now worth $3.59/share.
AtariDump@lemmy.world 10 months ago
iopq@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Intel thought the iPhone market was going to be too small so they didn’t agree to manufacture their CPUs
pdxfed@lemmy.world 10 months ago
While also completely missing the boat on the potential of graphics cards and watching Nvidia and even AMD become massively more relevant in recent years.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I think he felt right, but at the same time Blackberry wasn’t properly marketed.
And maybe having a touchscreen option would be good enough.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Blackberry and Nokia were so slow to react to the iPhone, it was painful to watch.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Their stuff was better, but disadvantaged by public perception. A perfect storm one can say.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Their stuff was significantly worse in user experience. Buttery smooth scrolling and highly reactive multi touch on a touch screen only device was revolutionary. Touch screens back then were known to be shitty to use. The competition to the iPhone were phones with tons of buttons, styluses and cumbersome user interfaces.
All previous players in the smartphone market Blackberry, Nokia, Palm, Windows mobile were slow to adapt and failed.
Palm’s webOS was competitive to iOS and in many ways superior. It failed because of mediocre hardware, bad carrier deals, and running out of money too quickly.
Google‘s Android succeeded despite sucking until about version 4 by willpower and deep pockets from Google.
The original introduction keynote for the iPhone was mindblowing back then.
pdxfed@lemmy.world 10 months ago
And then, to bring us full circle to OP, Microsoft made it’s strategic acquisition of Nokia 😂 theverge.com/…/microsoft-nokia-acquisition-costs
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Netflix tried to get distribution in Blockbuster and a partnership w/them and were told to fuck off …
Cocopanda@futurology.today 10 months ago
They’re a cyber security firm now. Wild stuff.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
[deleted]Soggy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’d happily have a phone half an inch thicker if it meant a folding or sliding physical keyboard for my large hands.
al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 10 months ago
You could get a Bluetooth keyboard. Literally pick your size.
iopq@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You have to charge it separately, it’s not quite as convenient
nl4real@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Same. Colossal pain in the ass.
kambusha@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Get yourself a RIMjob and help bring them back
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Did they really? Microsoft championed Teams and its pretty accepted in corporate environments today, especially if they are already on Microsoft.
Afaik, Skype for Business was merged into Teams. Skype for non-business consumers has been virtually dead for longer. The way I see it, Microsoft let go of the brand, the value of which is questionable in this decade. When they bought it, I remember the rumors saying it was because of its voice codec.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Nobody uses Teams voluntarily. It’s always imposed by corporate.
Skype was the term for skyping. It’s like buying a social media that coined the term tweet and changing it’s name to a letter. Stupidest shit ever.