They’re just an annoying bunch of wannabe communists who sound incredibly smug and post a ton of stickers in comments. Having said that I’ve moved to lemm.ee when lemmy.world defeterated from hexbear.
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Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I appear to be out of the loop. What’s wrong with hexbear? I’m not familiar with the instance.
UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee 10 months ago
NormalC@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Wannabe communists
There’s a lot to unpack in that one. First of all, how do you even gatekeep being a communist? Surely you don’t hold a degree in Marxist-Leninist thought? Nor are you a hexbear yourself.
Or perhaps since you have this perception that we are all petite bourgeoisie (mostly white) in the imperialist core that we can’t actually be communists (ignoring how paradoxical that is)
Perhaps communism in your mind is only for the “orient” and global south. Those in the “West” must just be play acting.
Gsus4@feddit.nl 10 months ago
When you guys mention the imperial core, what are you talking about? DC? Hollywood? Wall Street? Brussels? London? Paris? Berlin? Where is this imperial core you mention?
SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 10 months ago
“imperial core” isn’t a phrase we made up. It refers to World Systems Theory, a theory of international relations invented by a guy named Immanuel Wallerstein which argues that imperial “Core” countries (think the traditional “developed” or “first world” countries. Mainly the US and Europe) have a particular extractive, colonial relationship with “Periphery” countries (think poor, raw material exporting, rentier states like Kyrgyzstan or Nigeria).
Then there are semi-periphery countries which are still tied into the imperial core in some way, but have enough sway economically and geopolitically to kind of stand on their own. They have a different kind of relationship to the imperial core, compared to the periphery (these would be the BRICS countries, largely).
That’s a gross over simplification, but hopefully that answers your question.
dolphin@hexbear.net 10 months ago
It’s another term for ‘the West’ effectively, so the US and Western Europe.
HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 10 months ago
The imperial core is the countries that have been most involved in the imperialist plunder of other nations, so that would be the US, Canada, UK, France, Belgium, Germany, etcetera
NuPNuA@lemm.ee 10 months ago
The Imperial Core was clearly on Coruscant.
aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Another user already explained world systems theory, but there’s also the school of global historical materialism, that analyses the relationship and structure of the imperial core/triad and the periphery/global south. Samir Amin was a leading figure in that, he also coined the term “Eurocentrism”. You can find quite a few recordings of his lectures for free on YouTube, or pirate his books (he’s dead now, so it’s not like he’d get the money anyways).
UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I’ve grown up under a communist government in a socialist republic. So while I have no degree in Marxism-Leninism, I can assure you that all of my schooling was infused with it. Same goes for most of popular culture. I don’t despise communism, as is often the case with people like me, the idea is noble, if utopian. The ideology, like all ideologies, is scary for its intolerance and disregard of human nature. I will therefore gatekeep any pure ideolog, just to save my own faith in humanity.
NormalC@hexbear.net 10 months ago
I’ve grown up under a communist government in a socialist republic…
Huh? That’s a very roundabout way of describing a communist state. Where do you come from specifically? You can count communist states on your fingertips.
ideology, like all ideologies, is scary for its intolerance and disregard of human nature…
I don’t think that’s what the word “ideology” means. Also it’s dangerous and unproductive to off-handedly remark on “human nature.” It’s a bad faith psuedoscientific buzzword that’s rooted in uncontextualized historical analysis. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
I will therefore gatekeep any pure ideolog, just to save my own faith in humanity.
Again, I’m not quite sure what this means. I think you’re conflating a lot of things here that just don’t make sense and I dont want to make any assumptions about you. No community can ever be immune to reactionary politics, but thats not the same as rejecting “pure ideology”
somename@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Gonna be real, your smug levels are pretty high right now yourself.
UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee 10 months ago
My apologies, I was generalising. I’ve had perfectly normal interactions with hexbear users, but I also saw a bunch of very circlejerky threads populated by hexbear users which I found unbearable (or should it be unhexbearable?).
NormalC@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Can you give direct links? No one can discount your feelings but without any examples or evidence then we can’t understand.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Lots of tankies from what I’m seeing, they’re the “alt-left” if you will, they believe in just as much weird stuff as the alt-right but are on the left side of the spectrum…
Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Could you provide an example of Hexbears agreeing with the alt-right about something specific? I think a lot of people conflate “disagreeing with the liberal consensus” with “thinking a MAGA thing” when they’re really pretty different.
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
They are pro Russia.
HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Hexbear is very categorically not pro Russia, we’re just not pro West
McNasty@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Mostly about China and North Korea.
Alt right and alt left both deny Uyghur camps, and think Kim Jong Un is pretty awesome.
Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 months ago
In my experience alt right folks are pretty anti China, to the point where that is often the reason they oppose the Ukraine war, as it is dividing the attention of the Christian west from the rising, menacing Tigers that threaten white society.
Hexbears are often skeptical of Adrian Zenz who is usually the source of claims about China. Most that I’ve seen acknowledge that there are camps, but disagree that they are as bad as western media depicts them, and would probably argue that western nations are concern trolling about the issue regardless because it is easy to question whether American foreign policy is motivatednby concern for Muslims. Genuinely curious, who is an alt-right guy who doesn’t think there are camps in Xinjiang? I’ve never encountered a pro-Chinese reactionary.
As to Korea I thought MAGA types just memed about Kim Jong Un because Trump sort of got along with him. Hexbears think that the Korean War was bad and that Korea is acting predictably given that a nuclear power is constantly threatening them with annihilation. There are a variety of positions in Hexbear on the DPRK though, and I can’t really account for all of them, but I think they arise out of a genuine anti-imperial and anti-war sentiment, and a healthy doze of skepticism of western narratives of a state enemy. I don’t think you could say that for the alt right.
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Trump derangement syndrome is all too real and the proof is how liberals reacted to him trying to end the Korean war.
RedDawn@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Alt Right and alt left both deny the existence of the tooth fairy
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Last I checked the alt right believes them same claims about the world that dems do in terms of the supposed camps, they just think they are good because the alt right hates muslims
NuPNuA@lemm.ee 10 months ago
You guys and the MAGA types seem to have very similar views on the Russia/Ukraine situation at the moment.
Doubledee@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Could you be more specific?
I think, for example, that most alt-right types oppose the war either because of chauvinistic beliefs about American boys and American blood and treasure being spent on foreigners, or because they would like to work together with Russia to counter China and think a war with them hurts the white struggle against the eastern hordes. No one on hexbear would defend either of those positions.
It needs to be more specific than “both of you are against continuing the war.” Just like it wouldn’t be fair for me to accuse you of being alt- right because you and them both agree that there weren’t WMDs in Iraq and that that invasion was sold on false pretenses. You might both technically agree but it would be missing the point.
silent_water@hexbear.net 10 months ago
we want an immediate end to the war. in what way does wanting an end to the death make us comparable with the alt-right?
hexi@hexbear.net 10 months ago
I think Belarus should annex both countries.
Gelamzer@hexbear.net 10 months ago
And you guys and MAGA have similar views on China
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 10 months ago
“Very” implies you’ve drilled down beyond the very first superficial similarity.
Please offer two things in which we have in common since you’re clearly not just talking out of your ass.
robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 10 months ago
boo hoo someone is to your left politically and you’re mad about it.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
The only person that looks mad here is you…
robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 10 months ago
cope
Kuori@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Heck they end up meeting on many things…
name literally a single one or quit spreading this bullshit.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Genocide denial.
Venus@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Denounce the US genocide against Martians right now or you’re a genocide denier.
ReadFanon@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Hell yeah I’m a genocide denier.
I deny white genocide without any remorse 😎
brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 10 months ago
So you believe in White Genocide?
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Being pro Russia, genocide denialism, authoritarianism, being hateful of ideas that don’t conform to their worldview, racism (just not towards the same people), the list goes on and on.
PaX@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Hey, I’m a Hexbear user and I really think you have the wrong impression of what our site is. Idk if you’re open to reconsidering or if you’re just trying to get a few antagonistic words in but I’ll tell you my experience as a long time user:
Being pro Russia
Our site isn’t pro-russia. We just want the war to come to a swift end without any further bloodshed. Some people take offense to that because we don’t think the best way to do that is to send more guns, tanks, planes, dollars, etc into the warzone. That benefits no one except the arms manufacturers and the money lenders. Not regular people on either side.
genocide denialism
The only thing I can think of that you would be referring to is the “holodomor” or something similar that happened in the USSR. It’s not that we deny that many people did die in these horrible tragedies or that there wasn’t Soviet government involvement in some of them but that these very real events are being distorted for political reasons by people who want to paint the USSR in a certain, wholly bad, light. As communists (or anarchists), we try to be very open to criticism and new ways of thinking about or doing things but not when the intent is to do historical revisionism to make the people who liberated the concentration camps and ended the crimes of Nazism seem like Nazis under a different name.
Authoritarianism
Well, I guess this is true in a way. As revolutionists, we do seek to change the system by establishing a new authority with the capability to make this change. But have you ever noticed how the current system maintains and perpetuates itself? Sure, you can vote (and we don’t seek to abolish that!), but when that fails and working-class people take to the streets seeking change, why is it that people with guns and tear gas and riot shields try to stop them and maybe even imprison them? It’s not that leftists are uniquely “authoritarian” but that we want to use that authority for representing regular, working-class people and to bring about a better world where that authority isn’t necessary anymore. Our anarchist users probably have a somewhat different take on this but one of them will have to talk about it lol
being hateful of ideas that don’t conform to their worldview
Sure, there are a lot of ideas that we hate. But isn’t that everyone? I hope we could all agree on hating things like fascism, racism, sexism, transphobia, etc etc. Our users probably feel more strongly about that than most people lol but that’s just cuz a lot of us have been targets of those kinds of ideas. Other than stuff like that though… this site has been one of the most accepting places on the Internet in my experience. Sure, we argue a lot (sometimes too zealously lol), but just cuz we care a lot about getting things right. On our site, we don’t have downvotes to encourage users to actually challenge bad ideas and voice their opinion instead of just feeling satisfied having slightly influenced an algorithm.
racism (just not towards the same people)
This just hasn’t been my experience and I know most of our users would agree. Racism gets swiftly removed on Hexbear and lots of people replying challenging it. Do you have any examples? This has just been so contrary to my time on the site. Unless you mean jokes about white people but I hope I don’t have to explain why that’s not a problem lol
Anyway, I just want our instances and our users to exist together in peace. I know we have very “different” ideas from what is considered the mainstream in the west and on most of the English-speaking internet but I know our presence on the “fediverse” can be a positive thing and that we can get along. I hope this helps you to understand our site a bit better.
Venus@hexbear.net 10 months ago
No one on hexbear is pro-russia, we take genocide far more seriously than the average liberal (when was the last time you saw a liberal who gives a shit about the US’s crimes against natives), we are by far the least racist instance on the entire fediverse.
Your list is bullshit, shut up.
somename@hexbear.net 10 months ago
No one here is pro Russia lol. We just recognize that the war in Ukraine is an intractable meat grinder, and working for peace is more productive than continuing the conflict in an effort to further enrich War Contractors.
YeetPics@mander.xyz 10 months ago
Woah woah woah, calm down there chief.
I have that same opinion having seen hexbear posts for the past 6 months. It’s not invalid because it makes you upset.
brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 10 months ago
“These two groups disagree with me, that means they must agree with each other!”
BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 10 months ago
If you're familiar with CTH and the dirtbag left, Hexbear is where they went after being banned by Reddit.
farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
[deleted]Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com 10 months ago
What? There’s plenty of nonsense in there, for example:
[lemm.ee/comment/2394714](also, fuck off landlord. Mao was right.)
From the wiki:
In this vein, Mao insisted that the people themselves, not the public security organs, should become involved in enacting the Land Reform Law and killing the landlords who had oppressed them, in contrast to the Soviet practice of dekulakization.
… yikes. That said, it’s online bickering, there’s always going to be examples of bad behaviour.
As for my own, unasked, opinion on hexbear. I don’t really notice them around. Maybe its because I’m blind to them as I am generally left leaning, I did by contrast notice the EH memes before they were defederated. I’m generally an all/new scroller on Lemmy.
winterayars@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
No, no, they’re right on this one. Killing your landlord is good actually. Like literally everything else Mao did was bad, but he was right on this.
4am@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Anyone who downvoted the above post is free to go back to reddit. You clearly do not understand how the internet works, return to your walled garden.
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I had to look them up but yep I do remember CTH. Thanks for the answer, I’ll keep an eye out.
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I had some conversations here. They were saying that north Korea is a lovely democracy, Russia is totally justified in Ukraine, and China isn’t doing anything to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Just some examples from yesterday.
Egon@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Here’s a very approachable resource that debunks the claims of genocide in Xinjiang, using mainly western sources xinjiangahr.carrd.co
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I can’t find the source of that website. Do you know where it comes from?
brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Examples of what? People disagreeing with you?
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
People disagree with things most everyone on sjw would agree with.
JuneFall@hexbear.net 10 months ago
I went into the thread. You defended Nazis and argued that it makes sense that the FRG (west Germany) had so many Nazis in control of the government, police, judicative, and companies. While there were alternatives (believe me as someone living in Germany and having informed myself about that I know it). You also moved your goal posts and tried to diminish influences of other states i.e. the US (which you nationalist rise above others). All in all you would be okay in the instance, but get back lash when you kept up the way to jump from one to the other.
That you try to ignore those actions and the responses to your comments fits that lemmy users arguing against hexbear are deflecting heavily from their own responsibility and their own actions.
Your points in regards to both Russia&Ukraine are also not true (else you would directly link to it, and then there is no consensus in the hexbear userbase neither) and liking the CFR article is also not showing anything about hexbear (who - if you do search for it - are actually linking the UN report as well as the Chinese answer in regards to the Uigurs in their threads and comments about it).
Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 10 months ago
north Korea
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Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Well. I think that thread gave me cancer. What a cesspool.
ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Your view on North Korea is indistinguishable from that a conservative, why do you think that is? Do you even knkw anything about the Korean War?
Russia is the lesser evil compared to literal nazis, full stop
You didn’t know what a Uyghur was 6 years ago and and you probably couldn’t name any other ethnic groups in China because you know nothing.
Liberating people from far right religious extremism through re-education is a good thing, wish we could do that to far right Christian extremists here in amerikkka instead of putting them on the Supreme Court and in the White House
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
They’re coming here. They’ve all got their pronouns after their names, (which is actually a great idea) so it’s a little easier to tell them apart. I’ve got a useless thread with a few in memes@lemmy.ml right now.
radiofreeval@hexbear.net 10 months ago
We’re leftists and cryptofascists don’t like us
dolphin@hexbear.net 10 months ago
We’re a liberal instance and some people don’t like that.
NuPNuA@lemm.ee 10 months ago
You’re not liberals, liberals are centerists, you guys are far, far to the left. Which is fine, but let’s not confuse political terms.
silent_water@hexbear.net 10 months ago
we’re centrists. we hold the political center between anarchism and Marxism-Leninism.
yuri@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
anyone i’ve ever met claiming to be a centrist was in reality uninformed politically and using the label as a shield for their similarly uninformed takes.
Shihali@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Is that an inside joke? Because outside of Hexbear and maybe 1930s Catalonia, “between anarchism and Leninism” is extreme left.
dolphin@hexbear.net 10 months ago
No actually we’re centrists. Maybe you’re just far right?
hexi@hexbear.net 10 months ago
☝🏽 We see some good points in communism and anarchism, without veering to either extreme.
HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 10 months ago
No actually we’re a Hillary Clinton fansite, you may not be but I’m #StillWithHer
ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 10 months ago
hillgasm
NinjaGinga@hexbear.net 10 months ago
It’s a bit within Hexbear. Something about the old subreddit and “I’m the only true leftist here” discourse.
SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 10 months ago
They were very obviously being facetious…
Egon@hexbear.net 10 months ago
It’s technically a leftist website, but only due to me: The One True Leftist. The resot of them are libs
Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 10 months ago
I had to upvote I’m crying yall are funny
relative_iterator@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I don’t give a shit about your politics. You’re all toxic assholes that just make the internet annoying.
Kuori@hexbear.net 10 months ago
you’re being kind of a toxic asshole rn ngl
Egon@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Wow what’s up with this immediate hostility? The other user was being completely civil.
nekahat@hexbear.net 10 months ago
spoiler
kkkanada ___
Grimble@hexbear.net 10 months ago
PRODUCTIVITY CHECK: Are you typing this from a public workplace, classroom, dinner table, library, queue, etc? If so, GET YOUR ASS BACK IN GEAR!
RuthlessCriticism@hexbear.net 10 months ago
Tough to have decades of indoctrination questioned, isn’t it?
ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 10 months ago
The internet should be annoying for you specifically
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Understood. And I know there are groups on pretty much every instance that ruin things for everyone else. I don’t want to judge any full instance from the actions of a minority.