If so, was it polled somewhere?
Fuck the tankies over at Hexbear
Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?
Submitted 1 year ago by jacaw@sh.itjust.works to main@sh.itjust.works
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PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Straight up upbear farming. Lmao
PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 1 year ago
It’s not my fault it’s so easy
NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 1 year ago
infuziSporg@hexbear.net 1 year ago
maybe later, honey
davi@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Fuck the tankies over at Hexbear Yes please. Lol
chair@hexbear.net 1 year ago
This… Now this is epic
cacheson@kbin.social 1 year ago
So I was just looking through literature.cafe a bit, and came across this excellent comment chain by Janvier. It outlines the history and culture of Hexbear, and makes a very solid argument for defederating them.
TL;DR- Don't defederate Hexbear because they're a bunch of genocide-apologist authoritarians. Defederate them because they're annoying, and will burn out your moderators.
relative_iterator@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Personally I think it’s an extremely toxic community that represents the worst of the internet. They’re extremely set in their ways and provide no meaningful content or discussions on the platform. That’s totally fine for them but they can do whatever they want in their own safe space.
I would prefer them to be defederated mostly because I can’t block an entire instance.
TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I would prefer them to be defederated mostly because I can’t block an entire instance.
This is in development, fingers crossed it could even come in the next version of lemmy.
ZodiacSF1969@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Report every hexbear comment and let the mods know how you feel. Should send the message.
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Could you fucking not? If they annoy you, block them. If they don’t break any rules and you report them anyways, the only thing you’ll achieve is annoying SJW moderators. At that point, you’ll get banned before Hexbear gets defederated.
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 year ago
Literally the kind of toxic behavior you are accusing them of.
Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I commented on here already about our instances interaction with hexbear. It’s a disaster that led to somehow them defedarating from Blahaj for being not safe for their LGBT members even tho Blahaj is like the most accepting insurance for LGBT people. Many of us were trying to ask our admin to defederate from them because those on our instance felt unsafe. Felt like a “no u” moment they tried to pull before we defederated them for not being safe for our members lol.
Then Blahaj started getting spammed by a new user who was calling a bunch of trans users anti trans. They also said our admins was anti trans even though she was openly trans. Then that user began spamming across lemmy how Blahaj and it’s admin were anti-trans and should not be visited.
Also saw that user get a Blahaj user banned from lemmy.world even though nobody in that discussion was commenting on an lemmy.world community. It has a lot of shit so everything below is just that story.
What happened was another trans Blahaj user commented on a post on some 3rd instance and the OP of that post basically said “I know your reputation from elsewhere and your comment here proves your anti-trans reputation”. The Blahaj user went wtf and then realized the OP was one of those commenting on the original trolls post and was basically saying the Blahaj user was anti trans. The Blahaj user was rightfully pissed and accused the OP of being an alt of that troll since they wrote in the same style as the original troll (I honestly was feeling the same as I read it all). The OP wouldn’t reply and just stuff like " I refuse to reply to you" or “please don’t talk to me” or “I respectfully ask you to not engage with me”. It all felt trollish since that OP was the only who started the argument and now refused to engage after starting.
After the 3rd attempt at an reply , a lemmy.world admin came in saying that if the Blahaj user replied one more time to OP then they would be permanently banned from all of lemmy.world. Keep in mind this wasn’t even on lemmy.world and the whole thing started because OP insulted a trans user by stating they were anti-trans. The Blahaj user was still pissed since she got insulted for saying she has the reputation of somebody who would hate everything she was and replied again. The original troll from way earlier came to the post & replied to her and tagged the lemmy.world admin saying they needed to be banned for being a chaser and replying after being told not to. Then the Blahaj user got banned.
It still feels so fucked that a lemmy.world admin would step into that 3rd instance and threaten the Blahaj user with loss of access to the biggest lemmy instance if she didn’t ignore being called an anti-trans. It really helped show me the short comings of lemmy since every instances admin will probably just take what a user from their instance state as fact and ignore the other person.
Sorry for that long comment. It’s just that I saw how hexbear will twist words in their favor like with claiming Blahaj isn’t safe for their LGBT members and then strangely had new accounts show up calling trans Blahaj users as anti-trans and realized that it was just way too on the nose as where could these users have came from.
relative_iterator@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Wish they would defederate us again lol
yata@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
A bit misleading description of CTH on reddit, because they most certainly developed their obnoxious behaviour and jargon already back then, and they did very little to combat racism and fascism there precisely becuase their obnoxious behaviour was counter-productive to such goals (also there were other subreddits far more active and useful in combating fascism and bigotry on reddit such as r/againstallhatesubreddits, which did actual work on deplatforming fascists).
But other than that it is an apt description of their behaviour here and why they pose such a problem for lemmy in general.
btbt@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Hexbear is inevitable
cacheson@kbin.social 1 year ago
I see a small corner of the lemmyverse...
I see your instance...
...alone...And a lot of defederations...
Jesus that's a lot of defederations...
Redhotkurt@kbin.social 1 year ago
They're just misunderstood. Uh, yeah, misunderstood. That's it.
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Get fucked.
btbt@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Please understand that I’m being completely sincere when I say that, judging from your post history, you should seriously consider taking a break from the internet to deal with your anger issues. When you spend your time lashing out at other people about the instance they use, complaining about climate protestors, and hoping that other countries get nuked because you don’t like their leaders, the only thing you’re accomplishing is increasing your chances of getting a heart attack
Annakah69@hexbear.net 1 year ago
And you claim, hexbear users are the one misbehaving…
robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 1 year ago
buy us all dinner first
Venus@hexbear.net 1 year ago
I’m always getting fucked, it’s awesome, you should try it. Could there be some misogyny and homophobia involved in the implication that being fucked is bad? bean-think
UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Egon@hexbear.net 1 year ago
WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Hexbear recently federated with sh.itjust.works, I don’t know if it was polled on your side or what. But on Hexbear’s side there was a thread to discuss it.
jacaw@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Thank you for being the only one in this thread to actually answer the question.
WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 1 year ago
You’re welcome.
Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Sucks for you guys. They caused nothing but trouble when they were still federated with Blahaj.
After so many of us complained about how they were being dicks and many on the instance weren’t feeling comfortable, hexbear decided to defederate from us first since they somehow said it wasn’t safe for their LGBT members to be on it.
Funny enough a few days later a new account started posting across different lemmy instances for days about how the Blahaj instance was anti trans and that the admin was too. Our Admin is openly trans :/
The whole argument started because the user said everything had to be political and wouldn’t stop insulting others who said they didn’t want to have every post on Blahaj to turn political.
It was just too perfect timing how a few days after hexbear defedarated for somehow saying the pro LGBT instance was anti-LGBT, that we got a brand new account attacking trans members while sayin they were anti-trans.
Enjoy your new people.
can@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Isn’t at leat one of the admins there trans? Basic fact checking people.
Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Yeah the Blahaj admin they accused of being anti-trans was trans. They knew this too. The admin has talked to them in the original post that started it all and told the troll they were trans.
The user 100% did it on purpose to insult the Blahaj admin and to then go across all of Lemmy and post how they were anti trans.
I also saw that same user tag a Lemmy.world admin to tell them to ban a trans Blahaj user for being a chaser. If you wanna read that long story then click this link to my other comment here. The 2nd half of my comment there is that long story.
PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Trans people are capable of transphobia because not every trans person in the world knows everything in the world about trans issues.
WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
seems like we will be defederated again soon judging by the vote in agora
PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Hey, you’re talking about me! Yes, I was repeatedly misgendered by a user who claimed to be apolitical. Yes, I warned the admins that this user was going to be transphobic and they did nothing. Yes, I believe that trans people are capable of transphobia, because not every trans person knows every single thing in the universe about being trans.
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Thankfully.
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Go to hexbear if you want their BS.
Kuori@hexbear.net 1 year ago
do you not understand the point of federation or what
Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Go to hexbear
we are the internet version of the “well go to insert awesome socialist country here” and Iove it
SharkEatingBreakfast@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I don’t mind the general hexbear ideology in itself. Sure. You do you.
But, damn, I see more than a few of its members just being obnoxious.
Bakzik@hexbear.net 1 year ago
I won’t call debunking imperialist propaganda from the west, and dunking on racist and ableist users, “obnoxious”.
Anyways,
spoiler
Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It’d be lovely if you could just see the hexbear powerusers somewhere convenient and mass block. I went through a couple subreddits of theirs, found the top posts, blocked everyone with more than 50 upvotes. Real pain in the ass, but I suddenly have far fewer teenagers who peaked in middle school debate club to deal with.
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Yes and its very very annoying.
narp@feddit.de 1 year ago
Opinion of one of the admins regarding hexbear, just so you guys know where they stand:
In my view, the hexbear community is actually a positive force on this platform. They are frequently abrasive, but they ultimately have the potential to contribute to what we are building here. They are extremely active and some of them are quite intelligent. But they’ve also become accustomed to a privileged position on their own walled-in platform, and they need to be reminded that their views are considered ver extreme by the average person.
can@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
They added us to the whitelist
wtvr@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
This is such bullshit. Just saw the announcement that we aren’t going to defederate from hexbear. Why weren’t we given a say in this?
MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Lol I blocked the most annoying posters from hexbear on this thread and now there’s hardly any comments. I think we should put them in time out. Like defederate for 15 days. if they keep brigading, another 15 days. I don’t really want to defederate, but I hate this kind of brigading.
misk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
What the actual fuck is wrong with admins of SJW?
Please direct any seething that you may wish to do to the struggle session that’s well underway over here.
Yeah, duck you too, goodbye.
PrettyBlackDress@lemdit.com 1 year ago
Honestly just chat/interact with them. What’s the big deal? They seem humorous. Or just block their communities
ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 1 year ago
I too am pleasantly baffled to be here
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I appear to be out of the loop. What’s wrong with hexbear? I’m not familiar with the instance.
Kes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
They’re abrasive enough that they couldn’t even get along with lemmy.blahaj.zone, a dedicated LGBT friendly instance ran by several trans women, out of accusations of said admins being transphobic
AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 year ago
how embarrassing
TheThirdAccount@kbin.social 1 year ago
OK, first time I've seen the dread Hexbear brigading in action. So, thanks, I guess?
Now I understand why they warrant defederation. I'm glad on on a Lemmy instance that defederated them, and suppose I'l have to find a kbin instance that does as well (apparently this one doesn't defederate them if I'm reading this correctly?)
The irony is that, although I've been in the fediverse a while, today I literally made my first kbin account.
InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Calling this present thread a “struggle session” is dismissive at best if not downright insulting and I expect better from our mod team.
metallic_substance@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What the hell is hexbear? This is like the 3rd time I’ve seen it mentioned today
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Is there a straightforward way to go through and block all communities on hexbear? I browse All but would like to avoid accidentally commenting on any of their posts.
pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
vocornflakes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think this is a great example of how federation allows you to make an account somewhere else…
Just make an account in an instance that defederated hexbear. Even if an admin is an idiot they’ll know to take action if the user count begins to stagnate or fall.
farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 1 year ago
we have several salute emotes but i haven’t heard if the image size thing has been fixed so let’s just pretend i posted one
dolphin@hexbear.net 1 year ago
o7 is still small
Egon@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Hey thanks for the input! I’d like to say that we users on hexbear can get rude or rowdy and that can seem jarring to some people. I understand how that crassness can be off-putting.
To those people I’d encourage that they take a step back and observe what that rudeness comes in response to. To me many of you are just as rude, if not much more. I’ve yet to see hexbears mistreat anyone that disagrees in good faith. It’s a website with a low tolerance for debatebros and smuglords, so if you behave in that way, yes you will be treated with derision.
In other words: What goes around comes around.
To the users that feel offended I ask you this: Do you not think civility is a two-way street? If you initiate discussion with a smug gotcha, why do you feel you deserve to be met with anything but the same attitude? If your response to a well-thought out post is “smh Kremlin propaganda”, why do you feel as though you deserve to be treated with respect?
I disagree with plenty of hexbear users on many issues, yet it has never been an issue. To me it is you that have a hostile site culture. It is nigh impossible to just ask a question or dissent. Asking for sources to claims gets me nothing or at the very best a link to Wikipedia after hounding one of you for ANYTHING that can move a discussion forward in good faith.
TheLurker@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Supporting authoritative regimes with horrible track records of human rights abuse and an absolute zero tolerance to criticism doesn’t make you progressive or edgy.
It makes you a cunt and you are not getting downvoted because you are right.
Tankie culture is a fucking disease.
farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Silverseren@kbin.social 1 year ago
So, no response to the actual question of the thread, just whining and complaining on your part.
4am@lemm.ee 1 year ago
NO U
Trickydill@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Fuckin hit the nail on the head with this one. I run in a lot of leftist communities there are always tankies, but honest to God that shit doesn’t come up unless you seek it out.
Hexbear is a whole ass community of people not some kind of weird ideological monolith populated with people who spend their whole day harassing others.
On top of that I haven’t even seen them do anything that wild?? There is NO WAY that this whole drama could possibly be in good faith. The outrage FAR outweighs any evidence of foul play.
Like it’s the internet if you go into a discussion about politics expect it to get fuckin heated and don’t run crying about defederating bc someone hurt your feelings.
No one is seeking you out and making you spill your politics publicly so they can bully you for not being a marxist-lenninist-maoist-purist I fuckin promise dude.
The level of pearl clutching I’ve been seeing about hexbear since I joined Lemmy is ASTOUNDING and mad counter productive if we’re trying to make the fediverse work.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
That’s because they just put your (our) instance on their whitelist, you’ll start seeing their comments and discussion as of Sept 1st around 6pm East.
lesbiankirby@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
They start posting around 9 AM Moscow time
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I had some conversations here. They were saying that north Korea is a lovely democracy, Russia is totally justified in Ukraine, and China isn’t doing anything to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
Sure those are only ideological differences, but they are really big ones.
xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Just chiming in to thank mr clay for making that thread so engaging and fun and to second his recommendation that you read it.
You’ll laugh, you’ll cry, you’ll leave cursing the great satan, amerikkka!
Awoo@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Nobody said any such thing.
Not anymore no. They were running re-education centres that had mandatory stayover Mon-Fri, return home on weekends. Those all closed literally 2 years ago now but liberals still scream about it.
DPRK positions are generally quite critical and measured when it’s socialists discussing with other socialists. However when a liberal comes in with all their propaganda and brainworms though you get the unironic stanning because it’s practically a waste of time having the conversation. If you wanted the measured and mature conversation about it you’d first have to demonstrate genuine willingness to learn and engage with intent to learn, most liberals are incapable of this and want to talk about haircuts or how the entire country is somehow one big play pretend show put on purely for white western liberals and actually things are so bad because they unironically believe the propaganda from defectors making up absurd stories like they have to push the trains because you lot actively want to believe anything you’re told.
I’d have the measured conversation about it, but I seriously do not think your response to this will be mature or academic enough for it.
Doubledee@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Oh hey! You never got back to me on whether you felt that the discussion we had exposed some more nuance on the subject of the war in Ukraine, I assumed you must have gone to sleep or something. But I was really enjoying our discussion and was genuinely curious if you felt it had been productive. Maybe you just wanted to argue with other people more, but it seemed like we were making progress.
For what it’s worth, I didn’t say Russia was justified, I said the war was bad and the US made decisions that lead to this situation. I’d appreciate it if you would represent me fairly. I certainly hope you’re representing everyone else fairly too, I didn’t really read the other discussions you were having.
hexi@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 1 year ago
why
pisstoria@hexbear.net 1 year ago
unnecessary tbh
yuri@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
man i WONDER why folks don’t like you showing up in their comments
Mindfury@hexbear.net 1 year ago
simply based
Awoo@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Absolute chad gigachad-hd
PrettyBlackDress@lemdit.com 1 year ago
Preach sister