Calling for an immediate end to the war is dishonest and supports Russia
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silent_water@hexbear.net 11 months agowe want an immediate end to the war. in what way does wanting an end to the death make us comparable with the alt-right?
Zirconium@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
somename@hexbear.net 11 months ago
We’re just not keeping our head in the sand here. Ukraine is not taking back Crimea, or even the Donbas. The counteroffensive failed horribly. Cheering for more bloodshed isn’t going to make a better outcome in the end.
winterayars@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Russia could make that happen, you know. They could pull their forces out. Right now, that would end the conflict.
somename@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Do you think we’re in charge of the Russian military? The war is going to end eventually one way or another. We might as well push for the path that preserves Ukrainian lives.
winterayars@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Are we in charge of the Ukrainian military? Not that it really matters, but still.
Russia can unilaterally end the conflict. Ukraine cannot (yet). Calling on Ukrainians to surrender while they still want to defend themselves is cowardice. I would rather support their continued struggle.
RedDawn@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Damn too bad they’re not going to do that, so what should we do about that? We support a negotiated settlement to the conflict in order to achieve peace, you support marching every single Ukrainian person into a meat grinder to die. Which of is more right wing?
winterayars@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
This isn’t about us. What “we” should do is to support and show solidarity with the side being attacked by an imperialist, dictatorial state and help them defend themselves.
When the Finnish were defending themselves in the Winter War it would not have been just to say “they should just surrender to save their lives”. The Finns did eventually surrender, but only after they had stomped the Soviet army all across Finland. They continued fighting not to die but so that they could live.
The Ukrainians are fighting now not to die but so that they can live in (relative) freedom.
Again, this “we should just capitulate to whatever warmongers want” stuff is shameful and cowardly, doubly so for people on the Left.
RedDawn@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Lol of all the examples, you pick another group of Nazis as a favorable point of comparison!! Wtf. Thank GOD the Soviets beat the Finnish Nazis in that war and then went on to beat the German Nazis after that.
yuri@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
imagine dying on the “war is bad” hill. i can agree on that point, and i don’t even need to politically align myself with real shitters and make a fool of myself in pseudo-public to do it!
PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 11 months ago
imagine not thinking war is bad. imagine believing American propaganda given its track record.
ReadFanon@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Bro, this war is totally different to every other war, bro!
Trust me, bro! I know we got duped into supporting:
The Korean War
The Vietnam War
The war in Iraq
The other war in Iraq
The war in Afghanistan
The war in the Philippines
The war in Guatemala
The war on Cuba
The war in Laos
The war in Cambodia
The war in Somalia
The war in Yemen
The war in Libya
The war in Grenada
The war in Yugoslavia
…but this time it’s an existential threat!! Trust me, bro!
MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
How is being pro russia and wanting war to end in any way compatible though? They invaded Ukraine. They literally started a war. That’s a pretty disgusting deflection tbh
420LetPobedy@hexbear.net 11 months ago
NATO/US started the war when the couped the democratically elected Ukrainian government in 2014, and when the US installed regime started bombing civilians in the Donbass
MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Oh so Russia is just saving Ukrainians from US imperialism by bombing them and committing war crimes. Thank god for our wonderful leader putin o7
420LetPobedy@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Where did I say any of that? I was just correcting who the original instigators of the conflict were, history did not begin in February 2022
Venus@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Russia started a war. Ukraine has two choices. Surrender and end the bloodshed, or fight tooth and nail and pour more innocent people into the meat grinder and then surrender. There is not a third option. Obviously they should choose the former.