Doubledee

@Doubledee@hexbear.net

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Ukrainian forces withdraw from Avdiivka to avoid encirclement, army chief says⁩ ⁨⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  Is there any plan in the works to take this stuff back? Like, they spent months hyping the spring offensive (do they still have any of that territory? I thought I read Russia was retaking it) but I’m not hearing anything about their plans to regain the initiative. If their position is only going to degrade from here they might want to consider negotiations.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Consideration to Defederate Hexbear⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I know, I thought about bringing it up but I didn’t think it would help make my point. I think the larger point (that self-described libertarians aren’t all obsessed with age of consent the way that American ones are) is still valid, but it is very unfortunate that the poster example of what I’m trying to describe had Epstein as an accountant.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Consideration to Defederate Hexbear⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I think a pretty strong reaction IS warranted against defense of NATO, personally I think it’s a very bad take but I’m trying to stick up for you here. I think it would be better to focus the vitriol against that disagreement than going after your label.

  If it’s any help I’m not sure how much awareness you have of the recent controversy that’s been roiling with the folks at SJW but there have been a lot of people recently defending the specific position you are but also engaging in a pretty hostile way, especially in regards to the use of ableist/transphobic rhetoric that we do not tolerate. Nerves are a bit frayed on Hexbear writ large. I think a lot of Hexbears are reacting to hostility with carpet bombing rather than precision as a result.

  Hell, until this weekend I was basically just a lurker, the recent stuff brought me out of the woodwork. I can’t tell you what to do, but I think if you give Hexbear some time things will mellow out, things are just tense at the moment. I wouldn’t say you should ever expect them to like you being pro-NATO but I think you’re likely to get more constructive engagement generally the further out from this weekend we get.

  Just my two cents.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Consideration to Defederate Hexbear⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Don’t people of a Chomsky-type bent sometimes self-describe as libertarian? It’s less common in the US because of how libertarians here are usually right-wingers but the libertarians=pedophiles trope is less common abroad is my understanding. I usually peg them as more anarchist types, which usually are welcome in hexbear.

  Not super into this one wanting to defend NATO but I think they have a point about the pedo stuff.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Look further up this comment chain. Momo said something I won’t repeat that your mods removed, that’s what I called ableist. Your mods agree with you that ‘crazy’ isn’t a slur so they didn’t remove the comment for that. It was worse.

  You really don’t have to come to the defense of a post your mods removed for being bad.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  You didn’t actually say any of my takes were wrong, you asked clarifying questions or moved from what we were talking about to another related issue that bothered you. It’s truly unfortunate that you’ve blocked the community and can’t go back to see the context, I felt like we were getting somewhere. I’m sure you had your reasons though.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  You really don’t have to come to the defense of a post your mods removed for being bad.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I can’t tell how serious you’re being but I read a really good book on this subject- The History of White People

  The TL;DR on that is that whiteness is a social category, not an objective observation of human beings and their differences. For most of American history, as an example, Anglo-Saxons, Dutch/Low Germans and Scandinavians were considered a superior race to the ‘alpine’ and ‘mediterranean’ races of High Germans, Spaniards, and Italians. Irish weren’t Anglo-Saxon, they were Celtic and were thus considered inferior. The racism people observe when they see ‘Irish need not apply’ signs or slurs directed at Italians in the 1800s were because those people were not considered ‘white’ at the time. It’s an over-simplification, but these groups needed to be incorporated into the dominant group before they would be given the treatment we generally think is normal for white people.

  Which is very jarring to us, since obviously Irish and Italians and Bavarian Germans are ‘white’. But it literally does vary, and the entire purpose of the category is to render people inside of it superior by virtue of belonging to it, it’s a category that exists to express supremacy.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Oh hey! You never got back to me on whether you felt that the discussion we had exposed some more nuance on the subject of the war in Ukraine, I assumed you must have gone to sleep or something. But I was really enjoying our discussion and was genuinely curious if you felt it had been productive. Maybe you just wanted to argue with other people more, but it seemed like we were making progress.

  For what it’s worth, I didn’t say Russia was justified, I said the war was bad and the US made decisions that lead to this situation. I’d appreciate it if you would represent me fairly. I certainly hope you’re representing everyone else fairly too, I didn’t really read the other discussions you were having.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I’m sorry, I’m not sure I understand. Liberals don’t believe that countries exert influence on other countries around them? You think Joe Biden objects to the concept of spheres of influence? You brought up Kissinger, you don’t think US foreign policy is operating under the logic of realpolitik? I’m not sure what the alternative is to believing that countries act to pursue their interests in other countries. That just sounds like a description of the concept of foreign policy.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Could you be more specific?

  I think, for example, that most alt-right types oppose the war either because of chauvinistic beliefs about American boys and American blood and treasure being spent on foreigners, or because they would like to work together with Russia to counter China and think a war with them hurts the white struggle against the eastern hordes. No one on hexbear would defend either of those positions.

  It needs to be more specific than “both of you are against continuing the war.” Just like it wouldn’t be fair for me to accuse you of being alt- right because you and them both agree that there weren’t WMDs in Iraq and that that invasion was sold on false pretenses. You might both technically agree but it would be missing the point.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Honestly your best bet is probably to do some reading first, unfortunately. A lot of Hexbear dialect is that way because it’s tied to concepts that come from books and thinkers we’re broadly familiar with.

  If you’re more into video stuff you could try this guy. I think he’s pretty approachable.

  Actually if you went into the megathreads and asked most people would probably give you suggestions too. We are fiesty but in my experience we also like to be helpful to people with questions.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  In my experience alt right folks are pretty anti China, to the point where that is often the reason they oppose the Ukraine war, as it is dividing the attention of the Christian west from the rising, menacing Tigers that threaten white society.

  Hexbears are often skeptical of Adrian Zenz who is usually the source of claims about China. Most that I’ve seen acknowledge that there are camps, but disagree that they are as bad as western media depicts them, and would probably argue that western nations are concern trolling about the issue regardless because it is easy to question whether American foreign policy is motivatednby concern for Muslims. Genuinely curious, who is an alt-right guy who doesn’t think there are camps in Xinjiang? I’ve never encountered a pro-Chinese reactionary.

  As to Korea I thought MAGA types just memed about Kim Jong Un because Trump sort of got along with him. Hexbears think that the Korean War was bad and that Korea is acting predictably given that a nuclear power is constantly threatening them with annihilation. There are a variety of positions in Hexbear on the DPRK though, and I can’t really account for all of them, but I think they arise out of a genuine anti-imperial and anti-war sentiment, and a healthy doze of skepticism of western narratives of a state enemy. I don’t think you could say that for the alt right.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Could you provide an example of Hexbears agreeing with the alt-right about something specific? I think a lot of people conflate “disagreeing with the liberal consensus” with “thinking a MAGA thing” when they’re really pretty different.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  It’s alarming how I can tell when I’ve left Hexbear by the ableism and slurs.