School shootings kill a lot of kids (in some countries) and that’s a tragedy, but smartphones are destroying entire generations.
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ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Banning cell phones in school while school shootings are a regular occurrence is top tier decision making
96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 1 day ago
meliaesc@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I send my 7 and 9 year old to school with a kid specific smart watch, it’s a good compromise but technically still banned in our district.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
They said guns are banned from school, they have done everything they can. Just need to live with school and CEO shootings
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m ok with CEO shootings, but most kids havent lived long enough to do anything to deserve that.
wewbull@feddit.uk 1 day ago
…most kids…
Most kids? (⊙_⊙)
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Well, some of them are really annoying
uis@lemm.ee 1 day ago
CEOs. Biggest infants.
Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
How do you know this is the US, rather than UK, AU, NZ or a British school in the EU?
ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Remind me, where in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand does Verizon operate?
Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I missed the mention of Verizon. Good catch!
PaulBunyan@lemm.ee 2 days ago
This isn’t a one or the other situation weirdo
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
That’s the stupidest logic that I hear repeated.
A.cops don’t do shit B. There’s still a phone in every room anyways not every kid needs one.
You don’t need your kid to have a computer in their pocket everyday just in the unlikely occasion a school shooting is happening in which case they can still just use the school phone…
Halosheep@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Ah yes!
Students, we must all line up to call your parents before your untimely demise in an orderly fashion. You may only have a few seconds to say your last words each. Timmy, no, you cannot call your grandparents too, we only have one phone and we must be sure every student gets a chance.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
The same logic used to have nuclear drills where you get under the desks. It’s ineffective, does nothing, and will change nothing. It only serves for helicopter parents to feel better about themselves. As their kids brains rot away
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 day ago
I mean in a situation where you truly can do nothing, giving the masses something to do at least makes them feel slightly less powerless
Also duck and cover would have been effective for some of the earliest nuclear bombs, just not the ones developed a few years later
anachrohack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
We should ban phones for kids under 16 OUTSIDE of school
iii@mander.xyz 17 hours ago
We should ban kids under 16 OUTSIDE of schools
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 days ago
This may shock you, but guns are banned more often than phones in school, and the bans are more severe as are the consequences.
Glitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Quick! Someone call for help! Oh that’s right
scoobford@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Students can keep a phone in their bag if they really need it. The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I haven’t been to school in a while, but we had smartphones when I did. And if we took up our phones in class we got called out by the teacher.
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 days ago
My kids school “boxes” phones if you’re caught using them or they interrupt class. They lock them inside a clear plastic case and let you carry that.
This avoids liability because the kid still has possession of their phone and can still see an emergency text or call. The can’t interact with the phone but can get a teacher to unlock if there’s a visible emergency text
swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I think the fact that most commenters seem to think kids should use cell phones in class confirms Lemmy is mostly children
balderdash9@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
There are zero teachers in these comments, that’s for sure.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Haven’t been in school for a minute but they would never allow us to just be freely on our phones so idk wtf you’re talking about.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
“It’s fine if it’s in a bag and off or silent” has been cell phone policy in my experience (10-20 years ago).
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
That’s the policy at most schools. Actually enforcing that in the face of a classroom of kids who don’t respect the rule? That’s a much bigger problem. They’re a lot more clever at sneaking them out than you would think. Moreover, if the phones are just feet from them, their presence is never out of mind. They’re a constant distraction even in a bag. Phone apps are literally designed to be addictive. Imagine if we had a rule that said “crack pipes are fine in your bag. As long as you don’t take them out and smoke in class, you’re fine.” Even if we lived in a world where crack somehow was legal for minors to have, how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?
ulterno@programming.dev 2 days ago
Easy. Keep some crack shots handy.
Crack open ⇒ Crack shot
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Many kids recently have been carrying around an addictive and dangerous chemical called dihydrogen monoxide in their bags. The temptation to have a “sip”, as the youth call dosing on the drug, can often be overpowering. Please sign this petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide in schools
RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 days ago
What teacher allows kids to use their phones during class?
andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Teachers are hamstrung by administration.
“You can’t write up a kid for watching tiktoks in class, you have to call their parent.” “Okay what if the parent doesn’t answer/doesn’t care?” “You can ask the kid to put it away.” “What if they won’t? Can I take it away? Can I kick them out if they’re watching porn on full volume?” “Nope.”
RandomVideos@programming.dev 1 day ago
If not allowing phones during class doesnt work, why would kids stop using phones during class by banning phones during breaks?
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Why can’t they be kicked out?
boonhet@lemm.ee 1 day ago
I’ve been out of school for a decade now, but honestly at least when I was playing Hill Climb Racing, I shut the fuck up and didn’t disturb others. Otherwise I’d just be blabbering with my friends and that’s a much bigger issue for other students.
I graduated with pretty much all 5s and just one or two 4s. Our scale goes up to 5. So it’s not like I was a dumbass who just refused to learn. You just can’t give a fast learner with ADHD the textbook and expect him to not know all of the course material a week in. It’s changed now, but my teenage brain was capable of processing enormous amounts of new information really fast (except subjects that were straight up memorization of facts, like history). I had literally nothing to do in class after the first week or 2 of a course.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 day ago
When I was in school smartphones were kinda a thing but it was still early iPhone/Android days. The general practice was a powered off phone on one’s person is fine, but phones that are in use/ringing could be confiscated for the remainder of the period. I think that was because the school didn’t have a good method to handle too many confiscated phones in a day
QualifiedKitten@discuss.online 2 days ago
Yeah, I really don’t understand what changed or why. By the time I was in high school, pretty much everyone had a cell phone, but they’d get confiscated if they went off in class or we were caught using them during school hours, and that included all break periods. I remember a teacher threatening to take my phone away when I was using my phone to call my dad for a ride home after I had finished my exams for the day. For high school kids, I could see arguments on both sides for whether they should be allowed during breaks, but definitely not during class periods.
Things were a little more flexible in college, but they were still expected to be silent, and some professors would ask you to leave the class if your phone went off or was otherwise causing a distraction.
Euphoma@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Dang I’m in college right now and in highschool most teachers didn’t mind you looking at your phone in class. In college the profs don’t even react to people taking calls in class.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 day ago
In college you’re all adults who are there by choice to learn. But also many students are fresh out of highschool so it’s a fine line colleges have to walk between respecting ones rights and keeping the student body in order (and not letting the bad decisions of individuals become the reputation of the institution)
Adults can make a decision about if a phone call is important or not, if they need to dip out early or not, etc.
But yeah it’s kinda wild the hard shift in responsibility from being a minor to being an adult and ideally there’d be better transition for kids as they cross that bridge
ArchRecord@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I’ve never actually seen a classroom where this was the case. (aside from after work was completed, sort of as a reward for finishing their assignments on time) Most teachers will immediately tell students to put the phone away and will confiscate it if they keep trying to use it.
When they’re talking about phone bans, they’re usually meaning things like taking phones away at the front and returning them at the end of the day, or requiring students to leave them in lockers/locked pouches.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 days ago
Well, I did. And I am in one. Most teachers don’t care about it. Technically the current principal banned them, but only one teacher told us, and it was a pretty sarcastic “I am supposed to tell you that you aren’t allowed to use phones during classes anymore.”
Anyway, they got partially integrated. There’s an online school system we are supposed to use, and teachers often send us study materials there, including during classes. At one point we even took online exams (physically at school) and most used phones for that too (I prefer a desktop if I can use that).
Basically it became an expectation. “Look this up, take a picture of this, open what I sent you, send me this, confirm that,…”
But yeah, anyway, most exams are probably AI-written nowadays. This is known, and not particularly discouraged. Well, one teacher even told us we’ll be given computers with internet access on (part of the) graduation exams, and shown us how we can just copy-paste it to and from ChatGPT. And that was true.
But hey, we also often have classes of absolutely nothing that you just have to wait out.
The level of Slovakian education is setting the bar so low it clipped through the ground.