These mods on their power-trips really need to stop

Submitted ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ad_on_is@programming.dev⁩ to ⁨fediverse@lemmy.world⁩

I just got banned from linux@lemmy.ml, which seems to be the biggest Linux community out there.

For context, it was about the recent Vaxerski incident, where I shared my personal opinion about the whole gender stuff. I wasn’t even trying to be hurtful against anyone, just shared my 2 cents in an already ongoing conversation.

Sure, ine might not agree with my opinion, and I don’t agree with others, and this is totally normal. But at least we should be able to have sane and respectful conversations where no one is insulting each other, or anyone else… without having a mod intervening into the conversation

So to all the mods out there: Your personal opinion does not give you the right to delete comments and block users, just because their opinions don’t align with yours!

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papaya@possumpat.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If anyone wants to know why this user was banned.

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- lupec@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  As soon as I saw it was about “the whole gender stuff” I knew it had to be some garbage bigoted take lol
  
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- ZeroCool@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Lmao. So OP is unwilling to show others the simple courtesy of respecting their gender identity then comes running here to whine because their bigoted hot take got them a three day ban from a community. 🙄
  
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  - ad_on_is@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Regarding my account… I was previously on lemmy.world, (under the same username) but moved to programming.dev since world defederated from piracy@dbzer0, amd I didn’t want to have multiple accounts.
    
    So yeah, it’s new in that manner, but I’m surely not a troll.
    
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- InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  On par for people complaing about a ban.
  
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- dariusj18@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The funniest part is that privileged people get pissy about being called by their title all the time, it does sometimes materialize in jokes, but that’s still punching up.
  
  As a fun experiment I misgender bigots until they got mad about it. It doesn’t take long.
  
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- Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I love open mod logs.
  
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- yuki2501@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Thanks for the info.
  
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- ad_on_is@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  As I said, this is my opinion, I didn’t impose my opinion onto others and i certainly don’t expect everyone to agree with me.
  
  But I don’t think a perma-ban from the whole community is the right answer here.
  
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  - NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It was a temp ban
    
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- Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Thanks for the recap. My upvote for this post is now a downvote.
  
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- Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Was it to do with neopronouns?
  
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Ategon@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It looks like you were temp banned from the linux community for 3 days

The comment you made was transphobia which goes against the programming.dev code of conduct. I suggest reading the comment of the user who replied to you and learning how to respect people more

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- ad_on_is@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  thx, didn’t know I could look it up, and also didn’t receive a notification.
  
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  - Ategon@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah lemmy currently doesn’t send notifications about moderation actions
    
    Some mod teams add it in through manually dming (which usually will happen here if someone on the admin team is warning, banning, etc. you and its not just an obvious spammer or bot) or code their own systems to notify about actions
    
    Everything’s viewable in the modlog though and you can filter by yourself
    
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yuki2501@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Okay you’re being a bigot. You know why? Because people aren’t demanding to be called “your royal highness”. That are just asking to be called with their preferred probouns. Putting neo pronouns aside, it’s not a heavy burden to be called he / she / it / they.

And this is the internet! The are no bodies, only usernames. Why do you care if a person claiming to be a girl demands to be called a she? Oh my fucking god,what a scandal! The oppression imposed upon you, a free citizen, demanding that you have to use a pronoun different than “he” on the internet! The world is doomed! 😱 /s

What you’re really asking for is the “right” to harass trans people (by misgendering them) because you don’t like them and abhor the idea of women having something extra down there. (it’s not like they’re plotting to force sex you, just leave them be, okay?) Not only that, you’re so obsessed with hating them that you went out of your way to post your biased opinion ON A LINUX FORUM.

You’re being a transphobic asshole, and the mods were perfectly right in banning you.

Just accept that there are different people in the world. If you have a problem with that, maybe it’s you who needs professional help.

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- ad_on_is@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Lol, that LINUX FORUM was literally about that topic. And I just participated in an already ongoing conversation which I got caught up on.
  
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  - yuki2501@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Even then, you’re still a bigot. Dude, grow up and touch some grass.
    
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ccunning@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

I wasn’t even trying to be hurtful

Next time try to not be hurtful. Internalize the difference.

we should be able to have sane and respectful conversations

I agree but then some folks come along and fuck it up.

So to all the mods out there: Your personal opiniondoes not give you the right to delete comments and block users, just because their opinions don’t align with yours!

Absolutely it does. Their sub; their rules. Lemmy is not a democracy.

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DmMacniel@feddit.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Why do you think it’s absurd to use proper pronouns? No it’s not absurd, it’s just being a decent human being.

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jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Generally, and I can only speak for myself, but GENERALLY, the way it works is someone takes offense at your comment and reports it.

That report goes to the mods of that community along with the Admins of your instance, in your case programming.dev.

Any action taken by the mods or admins is then recorded in the modlog.

In your case, you got a 3 day ban:

lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=7110660

“Rule 1 - No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.”

And, yeah, your comment hits that rule. I would have removed it from my communities as well.

Ban-worthy? Not for a single comment for ME at least. If it looked like you were engaging in a pattern of behavior or trolling, then yeah, that’s a ban.

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- ad_on_is@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Transphobic leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Let’s take islam as an example… btw, I’m a muslim.
  
  If I’d say something along these lines “It’s absurd that we live in a society where people feel the urge to tell me to greet them with ‘sallam alleykum’”.
  
  Would that be islamophobic?
  
  And yes, I agree, If I were to go around and just write these types of comments on every occasion, sure, that’d be a rightful ban.
  
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  - MrPibb@lemmynsfw.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    And this class is called, say it with me, a false equivalence argument. A false equivalence being when an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false logic.
    
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B1naryB0t@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Just in case the mod responsible is here in the room with us, just wanted to say thank you.

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rah@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

we should be able to have sane and respectful conversations where no one is insulting each other, or anyone else

Why should we?

Your personal opinion does not give you the right to delete comments and block users, just because their opinions don’t align with yours!

Actually it does. Just like IRC, the fediverse is not a democracy. As a user, you have no rights at all. You’re offered the privilege of being permitted to connect and participate. Don’t like it? Go start your own server.

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- Lath@kbin.earth ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  So, we prefer dictatorships now? Interesting.
  
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  - dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Curious as to why your comment got downvoted. Are people saying dictatorships aren’t bad?
    
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thegreekgeek@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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spujb@lemmy.cafe ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
sorry buddy but you did transphobia. whether or not you are in the mood to label it as such that’s what it was.

i have beef with power tripping mods as much as you but this is in no way an example of that.

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Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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BatrickPateman@feddit.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
lol. The disconnect.

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Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

I shared my personal opinion about the whole gender stuff.

Keep your shitty opinions that dint concern others to yourself. Seems like people are not interested

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- shrugal@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Downvote it to oblivion then, but disagreeing or not being interested is no reason to remove a post.
  
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CrayonRosary@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Welcome to my block list. I guess I’m power tripping.

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fartington@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Maybe truth social is more appropriate for you.

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- ad_on_is@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I got banned there too for not being any kind of phobic 😥
  
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neidu2@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I neither you nor your content, but let’s presume that what you posted was percieved as an utter garbage position to have. Yeah, that’s what downvotes are for.

But a ban? Those aren’t for people whos opinions you disagree with. Those are for cleaning up after people who intentionally tris to stir up something.

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- foggy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Fitting.
  
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- ad_on_is@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  That’s exactly my point, but it looks like my comment was considered “transphobic” which goes against the CoD… so that’s reasonable.
  
  What’s not reasonable is the interpretation of “transphobic”, which leaves a lot of room for.
  
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  - Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Most of the time transphobic comments are pretty clear cut including yours.
    
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  - neidu2@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Well, if it’s against the rules, then it might justify a ban. I’m not going to argue against rules in general, and interpretations thereof.
    
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marathon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Totally agree, opinion shouldn’t enter into such decisions. It’s emotional immaturity to do so.

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- elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You lost me at “immaturity” here.
  
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  - marathon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Why is that? Many don’t have it or the credibility to determine what’s accurate or not.
    
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ad_on_is@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Well, my @programming.dev account got banned!

I guess, I’ll just have to shut up, and just keep posting memes. 🤷🏻

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- Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Thanks for telling on yourself so I can block this account too. Please continue replying with any more alts you have so I don’t miss any.
  
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  - ad_on_is@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    wait, you can block my account even if you’re not on lemmy.world?
    
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- DigitalDruid@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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  - ad_on_is@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I go by PermanentBoner@lemmynsfw too … and I’m not even joking.
    
    So feel free 😂
    
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intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
What you fail to understand is that in cyberspace, people can do whatever they want to do.

You say mods don’t have this or that right, but rights don’t enter into it. They have that power, and they use that power.

ML is a brittle place based on a lie. Expecting them to behave in a fair way toward opinions was extremely naive of you.

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- ad_on_is@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’ve heard about them, but I thought this was only in (political) communities I don’t even participate in.
  
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Boiglenoight@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Just say they. Not he/she. They. End of argument.

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shrugal@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I think the ban was a little too harsh, but removing that comment was the right decision.

I see a few false equivalences with your “your highness” comparison:

“Your highness” is an official title, not a personal designation. Its proper usage depends heavily on the context, e.g. the perceived social rank and status, how well people know each other, if it’s a formal or informal conversation, and so on. Pronouns have none of that, you just use the one people identify as and that’s it.

It assumes that people just pick whatever term they can come up with to mess with others or to mock them. People who want to be called by a certain pronoun don’t do so lightly, they usually think about it a lot and it’s an important personal decision. They also usually pick one of the common pronouns, so it’s really not hard to just use it.

Making logical comparisons regarding social norms is a very tricky thing in my experience. There are many things going on that we aren’t fully aware of all of the time, and getting it wrong can hurt people badly.
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