The Terrible Costs of a Phone-Based Childhood

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• bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well I could only read the first 2 paragraphs due to paywall, but it’s definitely the phones causing all this and certainly not late stage capitalism sucking the energy and empathy out of everything around us right?

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  • lemmyreader@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thanks for the paywall warning. I’ve opened the page in Firefox, clicked on Toggle Reader View immediately and could read all text. Here the end of the article :

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    > We didn’t know what we were doing in the early 2010s. Now we do. It’s time to end the phone-based childhood. > > This article is adapted from Jonathan Haidt’s forthcoming book, The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of > Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness. > > ​When you buy a book using a link on this page, we receive a commission. Thank you for supporting The Atlantic.

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  • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nah, it’s probably the death of rock music.

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• Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sure, it’s the phones and not the fact the Earth is burning while all the people with power are too focused on growing their money piles by exploiting people.

  People can’t afford houses, kids and the planet might not have a future.

  But sure, yeah, it’s the phones.

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  • NegativeInf@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “If we take away their phones, they can’t know it’s all on fire!”

    Yeet

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    • rbesfe@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It might be beneficial for young kids to not be aware of every global catastrophe, don’t you think?

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  • ziixe@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Think about it, without the kids having a way to fact check everything they would have to believe whatever they say, and that leads to my favourite problem solving method, propaganda!

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• gedaliyah@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  the size of the relationship is often statistically small, which has led some researchers to conclude that these new technologies are not responsible for the gigantic increases in mental illness that began in the early 2010s.

  Anyway, here’s 8500 words about why we are blaming cell phones anyway.

  (Surely it’s not also the terrible economic landscape, hyper-competitive education system, or the collapse of community institutions…)

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  • sunbeam60@lemmy.one ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s all of those. As a father of teenagers, I can definitely add a subjective opinion that phones are TERRIBLE for teenagers. It reinforces all their fears and multiplies all their false certainties.

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    • Syn_Attck@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      false certainties

      As a fellow father of teenagers, I agree and want to thank you for introducing me to this phrase. I didn’t have a simple phrase for “doesn’t care about school, thinks he will be a millionaire by age 20.”

      One unfortunate aspect I’ve found is that (n=1) a grounding involving taking away phone time besides one hour in the evening (complete social isolation is not a helpful punishment) until grades improve doesn’t provide all that much motivation to improve grades. It does, however, greatly improve mood and ability to focus and think through problems. I had the same false certainties as a teenager as well - that’s a failure on us (the parents), and goes beyond smartphones, but grades are important.

      ‘Grades are important’ is not something I ever thought I would say, but as an old person I understand now… It’s not the grade itself, it’s what the grade represents - foresight, seeing the bigger picture, and effort and commitment to something.

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  • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    %90 of the teenagers who said they are depressed also have phones. Much significance, many r, wow p value

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• iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sure the phones are to blame and not the shitty world with never ending economic crises and wars everywhere and probably unhappy, stressed out parents fighting all the time.

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  • phx@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also, the fact that technology makes it easier to actually collect data on stuff like depression etc and people are more encouraged to speak about it, as opposed to previous “it’s life, man up and take it” generations’ attitude…

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  • Syn_Attck@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Unethical twin studies are and illegal for very good reasons, but I’d be very curious about the hypothetical study:

    Twin 1: raised in a small village fishing/farming community that disallows internet access, but allows full unfettered access to a vast library.

    Twin 2: raised in a heavily populated coastal city with a smartphone from age 6.

    A constant instant stream of knowledge of horrific things happening hundreds or thousands of miles from you, and the barrage of social media toxicity, must come a negative mindset about the world. I don’t see any way it doesn’t. Sure there is good and humble content on every platform, but the vast majority is either neutral or negative, and negativity generally spreads much faster than neutral or positive; it’s the human condition.

    It affects everyone, but your reality will be much different if it’s been affecting you since you could, quite literally, remember.

    I’ve seen multiple grassroots efforts of insightful teens who recognize this and are going dumbphone-only. Those kids are the future I’d place my bet on.

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  • Sorgan71@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Social media is designed to be a vice. Its not suprising it causes depression

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• chakan2@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Meh…it’s a terrible article full of conjecture and frankly shitty casual causation.

  The reason kids these days have higher rates of self harm and suicide isn’t digital. They’re getting fucking shot at when they go to school.

  The parents are hyper aware of this and are overly protective. The kids aren’t going out after dark to cause havoc or just hang out with their friends any more.

  There’s also a severe culture war going on between liberals and conservatives across the globe that’s distinctly split previous social groups.

  None of this is due to a kid holding a smart phone. It’s down to really shitty adults doing really shitty things and then blaming the phone for exposing kids to said shittiness.

  This article sucked.

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  • Cypher@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    By a variety of measures and in a variety of countries,

    Getting shot going to school is an American problem.

    Your comment sucked.

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  • CeeBee@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They’re getting fucking shot at when they go to school.

    American Defaultism

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    • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Did you read the article? In the first sentence it’s literally stated that the data used is of adolescents from the USA.

      It’s about American kids.

      The article is literally about American kids, from the perspective of Americans with an audience of Americans.

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  • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have to disagree with most of that.

    Raising a kid right now is weird, the way they interact with tech is nothing like when we were kids. I was lucky growing up in the 90s with a computer, I could play with it all day and never get into any kind trouble it was just video games and pulling around, seeing what it could do. I think having access to a computer at such a young age was transformative and wonderful.

    But today, there’s so much trouble to get into, it’s crazy. I need to lock down that computer for my kid, there’s not enough parental control software in the world to make it safe for a defiant child, so I just can’t give him free access to the computer. I log him in for every session and make sure he’s monitored the whole time.

    He had access to some public Minecraft server for a while and initially I was like “this is fine”, but it was like 5 days before he was telling people to kill themselves in the chat and yelling ethnic slurs into his headset… he’s 7.

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    • nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve been dreading this and it saddens me to hear from you that my worst fears were correct.

      I’ll just take solace in the fact that I had 30 year head start and that my tech-fu will hopefully stay one step ahead of my 1-year-old

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    • ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He had access to some public Minecraft server for a while and initially I was like “this is fine”, but it was like 5 days before he was telling people to kill themselves in the chat and yelling ethnic slurs into his headset… he’s 7.

      The battle is real, I’ve heard and seen things out of my kid the same age that left me speechless. Kids think that because it was on the screen or in their headset 100x that this must mean it’s ok, and with the number of people who just give it a pass by not paying the least attention…

      Formative years are no place for such anarchistic environments, particularly when they’re used as an unmonitored substitute for actual engagement.

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• Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  When you link page, please make sure that you dont link its paywalled version or at least paste article contents into post’s text Image

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  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Here you go friend:

    archive.is/Acnze

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• PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If someone it’s interested at reading about the effects of TV and internet into modern culture you should read a book named Homo-videns by Giovanni Sartori.

  Beside the book, I believe the boom of ADHD diagnostics could be realted to modern technology use and it’s effects on brain development, psychological and emotional.

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  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Adhd is not something you environmental. It’s genetic

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    • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      we know it’s genetic for sure. but we don’t know if it isn’t enviormental as well, it’s rather hard to check, but to confidentiality claim that it definitely isn’t is silly

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    • emptiestplace@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      neuroplasticity

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    and it’s effects

    Yes, it is effects.

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  • TheFriar@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also, amusing ourselves to death

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  • asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Only available in Spanish ☹️

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    • PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah I have read it in Spanish, thought there was an English version, maybe an unofficial translation?

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• koncertejo@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This article strikes at a very salient set of points about smartphones and social media. As someone that specifically tries to only use federated social media because it avoids some of these dark patterns, I certainly agree with. I also use my smartphone without any notifications turned on, ever.

  Unfortunately the author has a few paragraphs that miss the mark and strike me as coming from more of a centrist or right-wing “kids these days are too soft” which feels very off-base and disconnected from the issue. For example:

  This is why life on college campuses changed so suddenly when Gen Z arrived, beginning around 2014. Students began requesting “safe spaces” and trigger warnings. They were highly sensitive to “microaggressions” and sometimes claimed that words were “violence.”

  The scare quotes around microagressions, a genuine issue faced my marginalized communities, is really uncomfortable and gives an unfortunate perspective on some of where this author is coming from.

  Putting that aside, I really do feel like most of what is said here is on point. Reducing social media use is imperative. Designing smartphone UX that doesn’t shove notifications at you would also be a good idea. Getting younger people involved in communities and forming friendships is incredibly important.

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  • Uranium3006@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Indeed, that's why I don't trust any of these "kids these days" articles. Have they considered that the world is shit and their generation is making it worse and all the kids can do is watch isn't good for their mental health?

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  • thoro@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Unfortunately the author has a few paragraphs that miss the mark and strike me as coming from more of a centrist or right-wing “kids these days are too soft” which feels very off-base and disconnected from the issue.

    Welcome to the Atlantic. It’s telling they think all these issues are because of phones and not other aspects of society or something like the looming, ever present threat of climate change.

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  • EngineerGaming@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I hear all the time about people turning their notifications off and it feels so bizarre. Do you guys keep an internet connection on at all times? That just feels so bizarre and counter-intuitive… I saw several people around me that don’t ever turn off the connection and that gives me massive cognitive dissonance.

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    • blawsybogsy@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      presumably the idea is just to use/interact with the device on one’s own terms, rather than being harrassed by it into engagement?

      i do both, but they’re different things.

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• tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The terrible cost of bad parenting.

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  • koncertejo@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hey, don’t just blame the parents. In the back half of this article the author points out that social media harms youth no matter if their parents let them use it or not because of the social webs it creates. If you choose to keep your child off social media then they could just as easily end up isolated from their peers because everyone else IS using it.

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    • iheartneopets@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As an example of this, if I got a C on any report card/progress report, my parents would take my phone away for the following 9 weeks until the next one came out with better grades. As a kid with undiagnosed ADHD, that meant I had my phone taken away…a lot. As a result, I had no real friendships by the end of high school, and ate my lunch alone every day. If you couldn’t text people/connect on socials, then you never got included in plans or developed those relationships with anyone.

      It was lonely, painful, and it fucking sucked. My parents were too wanna-be Boomer to give a shit or even ask. I don’t speak to them any more for that and other reasons.

      So yeah, social media may suck, but cutting your child off from modern social circles is a much worse parenting choice. Ideally you’d keep an eye on their use and help them form a healthier relationship with it. But I understand parenting is hard, especially when both parents work full time jobs.

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    • chakan2@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So collective bad parenting…got it.

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    • sunbeam60@lemmy.one ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, “it’s bad parenting” is tantamount to saying “guns don’t kill people, people do”.

      I mean, people do kill people and crap parents do give their kids a phone too early.

      But if you remove easy access to weapons and easy access to powerful computers beaming addictive social cues into children’s retinas 24/7 you definitely have an impact on negative incidents.

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  • TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s not bad parenting if cultural norms have shifted in a way to not participate in it would cause you kid to suffer more anxiety and depression from being ostracized from it

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• deathbird@mander.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah, give kids easy to use pocket computers to access social media curated by algorithms designed to increase anxiety/engagement and “games” that are single-player gambling simulations, all of which harvests their data just to better learn how to manipulate them, and wonder why kids feel anxious, isolated, or depressed.

  This hurts the over-25s too, just to lesser degrees because their brains are fully developed.

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• Bricriu@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  archive.is/Acnze unpaywalled

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  • sunbeam60@lemmy.one ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Da real MVP.

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  • BurningnnTree@lemmy.one ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Great article. I agree with everything the author said.

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• Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For those pissed off cause of the paywall:

  archive.is/Acnze

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• DannyMac@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m tired of every few years the goal post for where one generation ends and another one begins keeps moving around. I demand that there be a ratifying organization that determines officially when generation s begin and end. So say we all!

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  • deathbird@mander.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Generations are (mostly) made up. So of course they’re going to shift around a bit while we all try to figure out what major world event or collective experience defines a particular cohort.

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• Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What about thr costs of a TV based life?

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  • paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    TV didn’t mediate your social relationships.

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  • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    TV doesn’t give you feedback. It’s purely passive. TV isn’t always on. It can be turned off or walked away from. TV doesn’t fit in your pocket (well, outside of those shitty portable TVs that used 8 batteries every 2 hours) and go everywhere with you. TV doesn’t have your friends on it (unless you live in LA). TV doesn’t have random people from different countries you’ve never heard of tell you, specifically YOU, that you should kill yourself for some embarrassing thing you did.

    TV does have negative impacts on our lives, and there are costs that I had on my life that my parents had less of (they still had TV, just black and white with only 3 channels). I definitely spent more time indoors growing up and know less about how to do manual work than my dad. I also know more about the world in general and am open to more ideas than my parents.

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  • Lauchs@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’d be weird after half a century of tv, if suddenly in the 2010s it somehow escalated all the self harm/suicide stats.

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• PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Youn people are dangerously addicted to social media validation, definitely it goes bad…

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• Bleach7297@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This study found a link by looking at TV viewing, nevermind phones and tablets.

  earth.com/…/toddler-screen-time-linked-to-atypica…

  It makes sense in a way. How we process the world might be a bit messed up with we were exposed to lots of bright shapes and loud sounds doing impossible things before our senses were fully developed.

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  • Deadful@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sorry, but that’s not what the actual JAMA research study says:

    Greater early-life digital media exposures may be associated with atypical sensory processing. Further research is needed to understand why early media exposure is associated with specific sensory-related behaviors, including those seen in autism spectrum disorder, and if minimizing screen media at a young age can improve subsequent sensory-related outcomes.>

    To me, making the jump to say “Screen time directly linked to autism and ADHD” based on the data in this study is like saying “American football playing is associated with specific types of head trauma, including the types seen in car accident victims, but further research is needed to understand why” and then writing an article saying “AMERICAN FOOTBALL PLAYING DIRECTLY LINKED TO CAR ACCIDENTS!!!”

    Here is a link to the actual research paper instead of a badly written sensationalistic article if anyone is interested:

    jamanetwork.com/journals/…/2813443

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    • Bleach7297@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Interesting. What does the paragraph above the one you posted say?

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• MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do we have data to the last generation?

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