Submitted 10 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
Electric Cars Are Already Upending America | After years of promise, a massive shift is under way::After years of promise, a massive shift is under way.
It kind of annoys me when people say that expanded infotainment and self driving tech is an EV thing. It’s not.
LOTS of internal combustion cars are basically a rolling Android computer with OTA firmware updates. It’s been this way for quite a while now.
I’d rather have a real-time OS than android managing my car.
The car’s CAN bus is always driven by a highly available real-time OS.
The car’s infotainment is often either in-house or Android-based.
Android (and to some extent Linux in general) is not suitable for hard real-time applications.
You don’t know how computers work.
…I’m hoping you aren’t being serious here.
I don’t really know much about cars but isn’t QNX already powering a lot of cars? I assume if Android’s powering anything, it’s just the entertainment system
I can’t wait to not own my car anymore and have all features preinstalled but not working because I didn’t pay enough.
Audi and BMW are doing this for a decade. A friend has an Audi and he cracked the infotainment to have all the smart drive things and sensors for parking
Yo ho ho a new sea to sail under the jolly roger yaharr
Wonder what they would do if found out. Would they brick the car remotely? Then would it be covered under insurance since the car is totaled if the CPU is bricked. That sure would be an interesting lawsuit to find out about the true ownership of a car.
This is trend is happening regardless of whether or not the wheels spin because of batteries or little explosions.
We need to push for consumer protection for all vehicles.
Yup, but it’s easier to lock down an EV because they don’t need to include an OBDII port (no emissions), so there’s really no standards they need to adhere to. So they just remove pretty much all choice at the start so people don’t get mad later when they remove features in future models.
ICE cars need to do it more slowly to properly boil the frog.
Also my car updating overnight and the update broke my brakes and I am dead the next day.
How is this a transition, though?
I had a 1981 four-cylinder Ford Ranger that needed it’s onboard computer replaced so the damn thing would stop shuddering while idling.
Computers have been in vehicles and managing parts of vehicles for forty fucking years or more.
The real transition is deciding that the electronic sensors are cheaper than physical sensors, despite physical sensors being more accurate and less prone to failure.
They need to convince you it’s different so you’ll eat the $50/month subscription.
And even further back than that, the B-29 used computers for the remote controlled defensive guns that would provide bullet drop compensation for the gunner.
Exactly. My Volvo S60 is internal combustion and is basically a rolling computer.
Shit, yesterday some software crashed and caused the power steering to go out while I was driving. That was fun.
Having computers isn’t the problem, having remotely controlled computer with cryptographically paired components and limited user-accessible diagnostics is. If they can effectively control the software, they can force you into a subscription to access basic features and require you to visit their dealers to get service.
Transition in the same all for software these days. The difference is the expectation of always on connections and continuous delivery of updates. That’s quite a bit different than the software model used for your 1981 Ranger. Though it’s not specific to cars.
This headline is weird.
How can it be both “already upending” and “after years of promise”. They seem like mutually exclusive concepts
Seems like, but I dont think they are. It’s like going from 0 to 60, it’s more impressive the faster it happens. We were promised EVs for years, and it’s like a fire hose was turned on instead of a slow trickle. Sorry to mix metaphors all willy nilly.
I like the technology but I don’t like the plans for implementation
That’s my stance as well. All of that sounds good to me, but it being a series of black boxes that I’m not legally allowed to fix or maintain is a nightmare to me. Worse them seen as a SaaS product because they hamstring us making subscriptions practically mandatory and worse allow for enshitfication in future.
in other news the economy is fantastic which is good because it means we can buy these vehicles and we have a president who is for the will of the people
fucking golden age for sure lets all buy a few electric vehicles
wut
Not sure if sarcasm or brainwashing.
AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
oh no
stop
stop, please
noooooooooooooooo
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Its all the worst parts of owning an EV.
Seriously, give me a mostly-dumb EV and I’m happy as a clam. The best parts of an EV are not the software (those are some of the worst).
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 10 months ago
But you can’t. You need something to properly modulate the brake bias. You need something to translate the throttle to the motor. You need something to control the abs, stability control, etc.
Then, for cost savings, you need 1-2 simple screens to display information.
Bespoke retro/analog EVs will exist but they won’t be cheap because size they won’t sell well.