of course they are. it’s why I always encourage people not to buy them. they’re awful for the environment, they’re wasteful and they are lower quality than you’d get with most standard rechargeable e-cigarette kits.
Single-use e-cigarettes contain batteries that last hundreds of cycles despite being discarded
Submitted 11 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to technology@lemmy.world
https://techxplore.com/news/2023-12-single-use-e-cigarettes-batteries-hundreds-discarded.html
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Nima@lemmy.world 11 months ago
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t vape, but I can’t imagine they’re cheaper than re-usable vaping devices in the long run either.
Nima@lemmy.world 11 months ago
oh my goodness yes. I couldn’t imagine buying a disposable every time I ran out.
that would possibly be just as expensive as smoking regular cigarettes.
I just use a little pod system that has replaceable coil heads. it was maybe 60 total because I bought two batteries. but I’ve not needed a replacement battery for my personal vape yet. Just have been replacing (or reusing) my coil heads.
Feidry@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I do vape. The long-term reusable vapes are a LOT more expensive than the disposable ones. My current setup cost 100 USD before batteries or coils.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They are not. In many cases they’re the same price or slightly less. If you want a long term refillable, rechargeable vape that comes with spare coils, and is a similar profile to a small disposable, it’s about $40. A similar disposable is about $35.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
A few of us electronics hobbyists have been collecting them (when found discarded on the street) to harvest the battery for re-use in other projects.
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Yes they’re nasty, but I pick them up with a dog poo bag and clean them before cracking them open to get the battery.
daed@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I was just thinking about this the other day. Any ideas for projects to use them with?
redcalcium@lemmy.institute 11 months ago
Turn them into a power bank, among other things.
adrian783@lemmy.world 11 months ago
… home made ecig?
Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I guess that’s the silver lining, free batteries for anyone willing to deal with a dirty object.
They’re also a prime starting supply for lithium battery recycling plants so they can get things figured out before they have to deal with car packs at volume.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You can also use them as mini fog machines if you hook up a small pump. I build dioramas and have been experimenting with them.
sibannac@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I have a small collection from friends that use the disposables. What do you use them for? I had the idea to make keychain flash lights or a battery conversion of some kind.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
At the moment I have several strings of LED Christmas lights on various houseplants that are powered by salvaged batteries.
Also a dollar store magnetic “spotlight” that I modified and have mounted to the chest freezer in the basement so I can see what’s in there.
ScaredDuck@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
For anyone wanting to learn more there’s a bigclive video covering the extraction process.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh wow it’s as of e-cigs is just like cigarettes, but besides cancer and toxic chemicals, they also found a way to add more waste.
UristMcHolland@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Nicotine alone is carcinogenic, despite what people like to believe.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
[Citation needed]. Both of you.
There’s been a study which found carcinogenic compounds in vapour… thing is they overdrove the thing so hard that it was burning the wick, noone would actually take a puff of that. It’s the equivalent of setting a toaster to maximum and then saying that bread causes cancer.
KingCrimson@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There’s little evidence of pure nicotine being carcinogenic afaik. Nicotine in tobacco is carcinogenic due to certain reactions with other chemicals in the tobacco plant
kerrigan778@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I mean, it is, but smoke and, weirdly, polonium are also very large contributors to cancer from tobacco use.
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 11 months ago
That reminds me of this monstrosity www.walmart.com/ip/…/168984043
You have to buy new “activators” every 30 uses as a way of increasing profits… You know rather than just letting users replace the batteries.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
This seems easy to hack. Just dig into it and hook it up to a wall wort with the applicable resistor, then sell the monstrosity on eBay for 2x the cost.
31337@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Reminded me of this: trojanbrands.com/…/trojan-tandem-couples-vibratin… And Louis Rossmann’s repair video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv88A4vI960
jasondj@ttrpg.network 11 months ago
I bought one of those once and when I realized what it was I was quite upset.
It’s 2023 for gods sake we should be able to buy rechargeable teledildonic cock rings at every corner store by now ffs.
jasondj@ttrpg.network 11 months ago
I used to have a radio that would use the leftover battery from a Polaroid 600 cassette.
Iirc that was some sort of a lipo and it handled the flash and motors, but had more than enough power after the paltry 10 pictures were taken to power an AM/FM radio.
Buttons@programming.dev 11 months ago
You have to buy new “activators” every 30 uses
“Please drink…”
Who knows the rest?
chetradley@lemmy.world 11 months ago
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 11 months ago
60 dollars for 10 dollars worth of electronics with no moving components… of course they wouldn’t let you just keep using it for years
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Meanwhile, I’m forced to use shitty paper straws because plastic straws are banned. And yet THIS SHIT is somehow legal??
WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Myself I buy these disposables from time to time, but always return to small electronics recycle boxes. It’s still electronic after all, with a fucking lithium battery in it.
If you ask me - these should be banned. Only refillables should be allowed to exist.
MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yall want to whole world to be illegal out there is fascism land huh?
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh no, don’t get me wrong - I’m very much against banning things in general. You should be able to buy plastic straws, disposable vapes, cocaine and a machine gun at your local 7-11.
I’m just surprised that this isn’t something that they haven’t banned yet, despite being a pretty big issue.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I used to have roommates who vaped from that exact type of single-use device. They asked me to re-charge it, which I did, disassemble it, connect it to my Li-ion charger and it worked again. Apparently it didn’t taste good because it was nearly out of juice, but that was when I found out these were perfectly reusable 3.7V batteries in a disposable product.
blocker1980@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Isn’t there a difference between rechargable and single-use-batteries? I was always under the Impression you should under no circumstances try to recharge single use batteries or they would explode?
Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 11 months ago
These are rechargeable lithium ion batteries. The same standard 18650 that has powered laptops, EVs, and power banks.
They’re packaged inside a single use product, but the battery is rechargeable.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You’d need quite a number of alkaline batteries to get the necessary watts to drive a vape. Lithium cells aren’t just rechargable they are also good at releasing lots of energy in a short amount of time.
Tibert@jlai.lu 11 months ago
There is a difference. Not sure how they ar made, but the chemical composition and possibly the design is different.
Trying to recharge a non rechargeable battery can risky and there is the possibility of leaking or explosion.
the_q@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Every aspect of vaping is wasteful and stupid.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
There are plenty of people out there using equipment with replaceable and rechargable batteries and owned tanks that they refill with their own liquid
Pretty much the least wasteful version of smoking as far as I can tell
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
If you know how to solder new batteries and make and replace coils, one device could theoretically last almost forever. I would be curious to see what goes first after that.
Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 11 months ago
See I’m struggling with this transitioning from smoking handrolled pipe tobacco filterless cigarettes to reusable box mod Vape.
One is cost, my past method I spent less than $700 a year on tobacco and paper. Now I spent $200 on a box mod and its been like $60 a month for liquid now, then lets say another $12 for coils. My costs have way more than doubled but I spent years finding a way to trim that down before.
Secondly the waste. I had no filter so the last few puffs of paper and tobacco were biodegradable. Now I have at least 3 plastic bottles a month and their lids all piling up in the recycle. Then the metal coils, housings, and cotton just get tossed every month. The tank I had leaked so I wasted a lot of juice and had to buy extra, I replaced the tank for $30, that one leaked too and I couldnt return it, so I bought a better one overpriced at $40. That coil burned while on vacation, so I begrudgingly bought a disposable one for the first time and I’m finding I can pop it open and creatively refill it, so Ill be doing that until I get home and can replace the coil. Vape shops don’t take your used coils or bottles back in my area. I doubt they even get properly recycled because I cant rinse em effectively.
I miss the simplicity of smoking right now but honestly the hassle and waste just makes me look forward to when I can quit for good and put all of it behind me.
sndrtj@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Popularity among 18 year olds of > 50%. Christ. A significant chunk of those will become long term users.
tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Part of why the single use vapes are popular seems to me to be due to kids using them, they can toss it out so they won’t get in trouble for having it, or if they do get it taken away it’s just the one disposable instead of a reusable device. They also smell and taste like candy.
therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
I keep telling y’all smokers are jokers
kebabslob@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Yeah, its the consumer’s fault! /s
treadful@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Is this what post-scarcity is going to be like?
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 11 months ago
When we get desperate enough for scarce resources we’ll start digging in our trash heaps. I’m surprised we haven’t started yet.
reddig33@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Google “landfill mining”. It’s being researched. So far the economics of what could be recovered don’t outweigh the costs, but they might eventually. Current mining mostly concentrates on remediating older unlined fills and moving the waste to a lined fill.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well yeah. As far as I know, there’s no such thing as a single-cycle battery for a low-power application.
qupada@kbin.social 11 months ago
They're not really particularly low power.
Quick search suggests around 8W power consumption with a 2 ohm heater, which at the approximately 4V of a charged Lithium-Ion battery (V=IR, P=VI) checks out to around a 2A draw.
Similar results suggest the batteries inside are in the neighbourhood of 0.75Ah (3.7V nominal) = 2.8Wh. I don't know how much of that capacity actually gets used during the "lifespan" of the vape, but I'd guess half would be a good estimate. In any case, probably safe to assume you need to pack around 2Wh in at minimum.
A Lithium AA battery (Li-FeS2 chemistry) gives you 3.4Ah @ 1.5V = 5.1Wh, but has a maximum discharge current of 2.5A (only 3.8W). The AAA is only 1.2Ah with 1.5A discharge, but two of them would give you 3.6Wh and 4.5W, closer to the target but still under.
You could probably arrange this in some sort of configuration whereby the batteries charge a capacitor and that runs the heater, at those kind of numbers it'd need to be at most a 2 seconds off for 1 second on deal, but that honestly seems like it should be fine for, y'know, vaping. Might just need to have an on/off switch to avoid draining the batteries when you're not using it.
But I guess we're at the point where manufacturing Li-Po cells happens in such vast quantities that the extra electronics to charge a capacitor from a 1.5V battery probably cost more.
jasondj@ttrpg.network 11 months ago
Not that it really matters for the topic of disposables, but enthusiasts would often run two cells in series with sub-ohm coils. Or two cells in parallel to be able to handle the draw of going down to 0.1. Give that to ELI.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
There are lithium primary cells that are perfect for low power uses when you need something to last years in between battery changes. They can’t supply high current, which is why rechargeable batteries are used in disposable vapes even though it’s very wasteful.
They should either ban disposable vapes outright or put a large enough deposit on them that most people will return them for recycling.
verdantbanana@lemmy.world 11 months ago
thank politicians like Biden, Trump, and Obama for helping to write in laws against health synthetic nicotine not being grown in soil has no pollutants added like lead think artificial vanilla here same thing
better products could have been on the market years ago like better battery usage through education and innovation but instead good scientific research got pushed into the closet with climate science and the like so people like our current politicians could keep their big tobacco bonus checks
this was definitely a planned shit storm for profit
sirfancy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Please use punctuation, this is incredibly hard to read, especially to those who are dyslexic.
CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 11 months ago
yeah, the same problem exists in the cannabis industry too. the single use vape carts are everywhere and they get chunked into the bins with no regard for recycling or the contamination theyre poor choice will cause. i use vape carts, but i have a rechargeable battery so i only have to worry about the carts themselves.
i used to vape nicotine too, and i would mix my own juices and used rebuildable coil mods too. i knew exactly what was in them, including the precise level of nicotine, so i used it to cessate from 12mg to 1mg and havent had nicotine in years now. its crazy how far away from that the industry has gone, its all disposable carts made by cigarette companies with crazy high concentrations of nicotine now. absolutely disgusting
admin@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Sure thabks president.
BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
True dat folk.
ExLisper@linux.community 11 months ago
This shit really grinds my gears. There’s absolutely no need for this product. Normal vape is like $20, you’re not saving on anything. In EU they manufacturers are obligated to recover used units (they have to setup boxes where you can drop them and handle recycling) but obviously you see them on the ground all the time. This should be banned with the speed of light but EC thinks the current regulations are enough. Fucking infuriating.
themurphy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I was in Italy recently, and I could ONLY buy single use. I fucking hated it as it died in two days making me throw out an otherwise fine device - just because there’s no charging port.
Now I have one lasting for almost half a year, and that’s only the taste that dissappears - not the battery becoming bad.
ExLisper@linux.community 11 months ago
I believe the regulations about replaceable batteries will apply here but they are only coming to life in 2025 or even later.
Virulent@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Where I live, only single use vapes are legal.
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Tobacco companies must love anti-ecig regulations like that lol.
SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
People are lazy and don’t want to maintain a vape, which does require some basic maintenance/cleaning.
ExLisper@linux.community 11 months ago
Never heard about it. My GF vapes and the vape is simply a battery with a charger. The liquid container is exchangeable. You refill it and when it runs out you change it. There’s no maintenance. And even if it were true what do I care? We’re supposed to contaminate the environment with batteries because some people are inconvenienced by their addiction? As I said, this product is not needed and should be banned.
kava@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Vape is very little maintenance. They even came out with disposable atomizer tanks. So I paid like $50~ or so for the battery which you charge with those big batteries they make ebikes & tesla batteries out of.
The tank works for a few weeks and then you buy another one. Much easier than going to store to buy ecigs all the time
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
A single use disposable is like $4 - $10, depending on how many puffs, and some people just want something they can puff on for the weekend and then quit, not something they can use/reuse long term.
Sure it’s not healthy, and it’s environmentally irresponsible with current single use disposables, but there’s definitely a market of “casual smokers” that don’t want to commit to a non-disposable vape.
ExLisper@linux.community 11 months ago
Really? People smoke for one weekend and then quit? Never ever heard about this. Sure, there are people that smoke sporadically, for example only while partying or something but this is such a minority I doubt anyone would target a product specifically at them. Besides, you can just buy normal vape and buy refills only for one weekend and then ‘quit’. $20 non-disposable vape is no commitment, that’s my point. And people who can’t afford to spend $20 on a vape probably shouldn’t be spending their money on smoking anyway. There’s tons of policies to discourage people from smoking, banning cheap, single use vapes should be one of them.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 months ago
When it’s easier for people to litter, they litter more. I don’t care if they want to vape while pretending they’re only gonna do it for one weekend.
sleepy555@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Disposable e-cigarettes were a direct and immediate response to pod based vapes getting banned. Use to be, you would buy a device and just buy juice pods that were disposable. It still wasn’t great for waste, but that policy was a clear step in the wrong direction.
They saved children from using Juuls, just to fill the landfills with lithium batteries.
ExLisper@linux.community 11 months ago
You’re talking about US, right? I don’t think pod based vapes are banned in EU. And disposable ones are still sold here.