Never use anything hp branded if you can help it
Microsoft is reportedly auto-installing the HP Smart app on Windows 10 and 11 PCs
Submitted 11 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to technology@lemmy.world
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reksas@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Tick_Dracy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
To be fair, as someone who also works with hardware on an enterprise level, HP enterprise hardware is good and (yeah, this will sound weird) repair-friendly.
But on a consumer-level should be avoided like the plague!
VelociCatTurd@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s HPE though. To my knowledge they’re two completely seperate companies.
HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That basically indicates where they get their money between both groups. Enterprise, from hardware sales and support programs. However, consumer side is basically just harvesting personal information and selling it
d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
In one of my previous roles as a sysadmin, our company signed a deal with HP to directly supply enterprise laptops to one of our clients as part of Microsoft’s Autopilot deployment model, so users could get a new/replacement laptops directly and get it customized on the fly at first logon, instead of us having to manually build it the traditional way and ship it out. It worked fine in our pilot testing, so we decided to roll it out to the wider audience.
However, one problem which arose after the wider rollout, was that SCCM wasn’t able to connect to any of these machines (we had it in co-management mode), and even the once that worked previously, stopped working. It worked fine in our pilot testing, but something was now blocking the traffic to SCCM and we couldn’t figure it out - it was all fine on the network/firewall side, we thought it could be a configuration issue on the SCCM server side so we raised a priority ticket with MS. After some investigation, we found the root cause - turned out out to be this nasty app called HP Wolf Security - which was new at the time - which HP started tacking on to all devices, unbeknownst to us. Wolf was supposed to be an “endpoint protection” solution - which no one asked for, especially since we already had Defender. Lost some of my respect for HP since then - who tf pulls stunts like this on an enterprise level?!
teuto@lemmy.teuto.icu 11 months ago
Got an HPE Aruba switch, it’s the only HP thing I’ve ever had that I like. Getting new firmware from HP was a pita though.
reksas@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Its not very good even for enterprise level, you still have to reinstall whole OS and run debloaters to delete hp spyware. A lot of pointless extra work for something you should be able to just hand out or do basic configurations.
Maybe its good if you consider purely the hardware, but even then it propably has at least some way for hp to gather information no matter what you do to it. I wonder if anyone has thoroughly investigated what kind of stuff corporations put into stuff they sell.
PinkPanther@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I told my girlfriend (now wife) when we moved in together that i had over rule: you’re not allowed to purchase anything HP. May the company burn in hell.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Make messes, leave food sitting out, invite shady people over…just for God’s sake don’t bring an HP product into my home!
phar@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Never use anything Microsoft if you can help it
reksas@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
I just wish one could help it. At work I mostly curse microsoft but at least they have some useful stuff. But nothing that is worth all the shit if there was any option. Its also quite blatant how they change their services to be dumber and more annoying to use most likely only to later start selling some premium version of it that is less painful to use.
kpw@kbin.social 11 months ago
Imagine running an OS that doesn't even respect you. I use Arch btw.
kerrigan778@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Arch has disrespected me every time I’ve tried to install it.
lwuy9v5@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The Arch Wiki spit in my mouth, pulled my pants up to my chest, and called me names.
kpw@kbin.social 11 months ago
For me it was the exact opposite. It did exactly what I told it to do.
Darkenfolk@dormi.zone 11 months ago
Autofellatio Linux crowd assemble!
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Imagine
That’s is so overused. Is this the new ‘litchally’?
TheMusicalFruit@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Imaging being so insufferable you literally go around ridiculing how strangers communicate.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It was new ages ago, now it’s just something people sometimes say. If you want to mock people, at least try to be up to date.
pacoboyd@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I wondered what was happening. I got a notice my daughter installed this app (under 13 account) and was like why would she do thst.
Jayb151@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What software do you use for monitoring this?
PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 11 months ago
Microsoft has built-in parental controls force-enabled for <13 accounts and child-opt-in for >13 accounts.
MigratingApe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Brother for life. You bet it. I got one toner refill for like $6 for Brother laser printer which is happily chugging along with factory installed drum after 2600 pages printed during over 6 year period. No DRM, no driver drama, and you know what happens to jet printers with such sporadic usage.
Throwaway4669332255@lemmy.world 11 months ago
At work we pay Microsoft thousands for developer licensees, have windows pro, and there is still ads in the OS… Windows exists to service them not us.
Yoz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If work doesn’t care then you shouldn’t care. At my workplace, they promoted a dumb woman who is in some sort of weird relationship with the manager. Its been 2 months and the backlog of work keeps growing. I am just enjoying watching the ship sink. I don’t own the business so i don’t care.
ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Lots if employees have stock based compensation and therefore do own part of the company. A tiny fraction of a company’s market cap can still be a huge component (over 50% is not uncommon in tech) of an employee’s compensation.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Install Linux. Saying it yet again. Be done with this crap, install Linux, if really really necessary, have wincrap in a VM, and now enjoy your computer
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 11 months ago
To anyone who reads this: I know everyone talks about Linux around Lemmy, and that you’ve already been offered to install Linux a million times.
I understand how much it puts you off.
But this time, give a try. For real. Try it, there’s nothing to lose.
The reason we don’t ever shut up about it is because Linux is just so much better that many of us don’t imagine how we lived without it. Unironically.
Spend a week on Linux. Install Mint, or Manjaro, and run them - not in VM, use dualboot. You can easilu delete Linux afterwards if you don’t like it. Run it for a week.
And you’ll be like us.
JustZ@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Damn this got me fired up. Can I run MS Word and Adobe in Linux?
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
No
Kumabear@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The problem comes when you talk about gaming.
You can talk about proton and such all you want.
At the end of the day can I come home from work install some new game I want to play and probably have it just work, without feature compromises…
One day maybe, but not yet.
Beelzebob@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The second sentence of the last paragraph. That’s what turns me off of switching. I have absolutely no clue what any of that means. Not all of us are tech savvy and Linux seems to be aimed at those who are. The jargon alone is enough to be maddening to the average person.
SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Shit the fuck up
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
One of us, one of us, one of us…
trackindakraken@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 11 months ago
I’m trying Ubuntu now. I’ve had it installed for about three months. I only switch to Windows 10 to play Starfield. The only problem I’ve had… (delete, it’s a long story I don’t want to write). I had to reinstall, I couldn’t figure out how to reinstall and keep my settings and apps, so I had to redo everything. I’m glad I still had Windows (because I wanted to play Starfield), so I didn’t need to figure everything out with just my phone. It’s been probably over 10 years since I needed to use a recovery disc to get Windows running again.
It’s unfortunate that AAA game developers won’t support Linux. But, the money isn’t there, and we live under capitalism. Without reliable, plug-n-play, easy-as-Windows game support, Linux will remain niche. I’m sure the point has been made before, but here it is again, and still.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
No. I like being able to play games without having to check if I can play them and really dont want to be associates with annoying af people promoting linux everywhere
sturmblast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yes they are in fact doing this. I noticed this (working in IT) recently across several machines. Fucking Microsoft. I removed and blocked it immediately.
banneryear1868@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What mechanism is installing it? We image workstations and they’re very locked down and managed. Is Microsoft circumventing it’s own control mechanisms or is this one of those “bring your own” situations where you don’t really manage the machines.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Its coming from the Windows store. Not sure what triggers it. I don’t have any HP printers, so it’s not like an auto-detect thing.
BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah Michaelsoft we get it, you own the OS not us. Now quit doing this shit before you get slapped with more anti-trust lawsuits.
SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
I’ll never install a legit copy of Windows anymore. For personal use I am using trusted enough modified versions that limit bloat and connections to Microsoft services.
ugh@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I started messing with Linux to build a home server a few months ago. I am now fully in the Linux/FOSS cult, and as soon as I figure out how to either run Adobe on Linux or use the alternative software, I am nuking Windows on my personal computers. The bloatware is insufferable, not to mention shit like this.
BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m there with you, I built my NAS about 8 months ago and now I’m slowly migrating everything to Linux. Once I get an AMD GPU for my gaming system I’m going to nuke my dual boot and run solely Linux, with Windows in a virtual machine if I ever need it. I’ll just run a dual GPU setup, RTX 3090 for the Windows VM and whatever AMD card I get for the host.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
An anti-trust lawsuit is like a trophy for these companies.
Reygle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
11 now basically ARP scans any network you join, adds things like HP printers found on the LAN to Device Manager, as"unknown device" in some situations, likely auto installing drivers in others.
Can’t think of a better example of malware.
Stay in school and don’t use Windows.
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Drivers for hardware connected to the PC are malware? Lol, ok
Reygle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
When they’re unwanted, on the network 500 ft away, you’d like your laptop to install those drivers?
nevemsenki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You can disable driver autoinstall I believe.
dan1101@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That would explain why my Win10 desktop recently had an HP popup. There is a HP printer in the building but I’ve never printed to it from the desktop.
ares35@kbin.social 11 months ago
at least if it's auto-installed, you don't need to have your windows tied to a microsoft account just to set up your damn printer.
ikidd@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If they let you install without a microsoft account. That’s supposedly getting really hard to accomplish.
Heavybell@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This doesn’t super surprise me. I own a Tobii 5 eye tracker. Brilliant piece of tech, but it infuriates me that the one and only way to get the drivers and software for it is to plug it in and let the MS store just install them for you.
JustZ@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What do you use eye tracking for?
Heavybell@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Star Citizen and similar games.
Nanomerce@lemmy.world 11 months ago
oh is that where that came from
Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Just regedit delete all programs that run at startup besides the default page file.
regbin_@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If you do this and then later you face some sort of issue with Windows, remember that it might not be Windows’ fault.
ultra@feddit.ro 11 months ago
And people say Linux is complicated…
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Imagine a world when instead of
adding DWORD value of 32bit lenght named
AllowCortanawith value 0 toHKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Searchin registry editor,we could do “sudo dnf remove cortana”.
banneryear1868@lemmy.world 11 months ago
we could do “sudo dnf remove cortana”.
Remove-AppxPackage in Powershell
thorbot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Better yet just fucking format the hard drive and install Linux
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’ve used Startup Delayer for ~15 years. Not perfect, but it really helps manage startup processes.
banneryear1868@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There’s plenty of powershell scripts to “reclaim windows” etc. I was a sysadmin in mixed environment for 15 years and Windows Enterprise you can disable all the creepy features on. This was critical infra environment with explicit firewall rules for everything and no traffic from the end user that didn’t go through our proxies.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Sounds like a great way to break your PC.
Gazumi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I removed the official Microsoft Store and use Bloatnosey. Seems much better. You do need to recheck after any update though. Sneaky stuff.
Tick_Dracy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My advice: install Chocolatey, and then a GUI for it. After that you can forget that garbage called MS Store.
verdantbanana@lemmy.world 11 months ago
even on other operating systems HP requires software to be installed before printer will work
even cups on apple or linux will not connect to hp printers you have to use the hp software which is bundled with some distributions of linux
been an issue for a good bit now
averyfalken@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
This is why no one should ever buy an HP orubter
FourThirteen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
HP stands for heinous product.
philodendron@lemdro.id 11 months ago
macOS gaming can’t come soon enough
CitizenKong@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Which is a terrible app. I made the mistake of buying a HP printer and that app crashes more than it works (and the printer doesn’t work without it, of course).
qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Wait, you have to have an app to print? On Windows? Can’t you just install the driver and print using the Windows print interface? I understand that they have software that might have extra features, but basic printing should only require a driver, at most.
WallEx@feddit.de 11 months ago
If it’s a scanner too, you can’t use half of it.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Pretty sure you can just use the drivers. You certainly can on my HP printer.
Yeah, the highlighted download on the website will be HP Smart And All It’s Infernal Bullshit, but if you’re in the habit of reading and not just clicking next, next, next then usually there’s a basic driver to do what you want.
Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Most of HP’s printers have a “Basic Print and Scan Driver” that is listed as “For IT Professional use only” on their support page. I fear the day where HP Smart is the only option.
FrogFlogging@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Try it.
On USB with the basic driver specifically, modern HP printers will let you use the device for exactly 10 print jobs before it locks all functionality and demands that the unit be connected to the network and an HP account registered.
Do not buy them. Find a brother instead.
miketunes@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I pretty sure it is the only option for some models now.