iOS 17.2 hints at Apple moving towards letting users sideload apps from outside the App Store

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• madsen@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Great. I’m looking forward to hearing all the Apple zealots change their tune on side-loading from "iOS is more secure because it doesn’t allow side-loading " to “side-loading is amazing, I’m so glad Apple invented it!”

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  • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I fully expect they will make it challenging and plastered with scary warnings.

    I’m ok with that.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I would, in fact, advocate for scary warnings.

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  • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve had iPhones for 15 years now. I’ve wanted side loading the entire time. It’ll be nice if I can do that without jailbreaking, but I won’t be holding my breath.

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    • eee@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is probably the main reason why I don’t use an iphone. I was surprised I had to jailbreak for such a simple functionality when I first got my iphone 4. That was my first and last iphone.

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    • Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Where were you when I was arguing with some dude on Reddit about how people “buy iPhones specifically because they can’t sideload” 🙃

      Like no, there are lots of genuinely good reasons to buy an iPhone… This is not one

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why not just get an Android phone instead of encouraging the company that doesn’t want you to do what you want?

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    • VictorsPineal@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can already sideload by using AltStore. There is some drawbacks but it’s worth it

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  • Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No no, they will say that apple does it the right way. Instead of downloading and undressing a file like a peasant, you will do it through x-code, using your paid developer account only available on Apple hardware. And of course with massive limitations that apps from the app store don’t have.

    I’m only half joking, I really expect Apple to make it the most miserable experience, to them say “well, nobody is doing it!”

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  • Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    man i wish side-loading was real

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  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    LOL

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• jasep@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For everyone rejoicing in this thread, there’s no way Apple will allow this outside the EU. From the article:

  We also found references to a region lock in this API, which suggests that Apple could restrict it to specific countries. This wouldn’t make sense for MDM solutions, but it does make sense for enabling sideloading in particular countries only when required by authorities – such as in the European Union.

  I want side loading as much as the next guy, but Apple will only do the bare minimum to appease the EU regulations. Suck for those of us outside the EU.

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  • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just move to the EU and you won’t have that problem.

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  • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Set language to UK will be enough?

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    • PCurd@feddit.uk ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      On that line of thinking Ireland might be a good choice - they speak English and are still in the EU.

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    • jasep@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We don’t know yet, but the rumor mill says the setting will be geo locked. So probably not.

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• MDZA@feddit.uk ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As a current iPhone owner the one thing I miss about android is how easy it was to install apps from outside the play store.

  Maybe we will get a better web browser one day!

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  • Hadriscus@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Firefox isn’t available for iPhone ?

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    • Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is, but apple forces all browsers to be reskinned safari under the hood

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    • thechadwick@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Only safari (webkit} shells. There’s been rumors of apple preparing to open up that requirement for appstore approval, but hasn’t happened yet as far as I know.

      Honestly that, and not being able to side load, are the only things holding me from switching. Yes I could get a pixel and install graphene OS on it, but I don’t have time for that anymore and I just want a simple solution that gets support out of the box, and allows me to run the apps I want.

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• Dave@lemmy.nz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  F-Droid for iOS?

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How about F-apple (read without the “-”) ;)
    Would be kinda funny though

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    • schnokobaer@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      F-App Store

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• Yavandril@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This will be huge. I wonder if this way we could also get non-WebKit browser on iOS someday.

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  • nyankas@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, we will. This was also specifically demanded by the EU and has to be implemented by March 6th 2024. It’s being said that Google and Firefox already have iOS-versions of Chrome and Firefox ready for this.

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  • danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the last thing holding Google back from total domination of the web browser space. You know most people will just download Chrome when something doesn’t work, since they already use it on their PC/Mac.

    While I don’t think that holding users hostage is the best thing to do, the reality is that enough people just don’t care, and the iPhone and iPad’s popularity forces web devs to make their sites work on Safari and not just Chrome. Once a real Chrome is available on iOS, all bets are off.

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    • Uglyhead@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There was a huge gush over Chrome by developers and powerusers, the same gush that happened over IE back in the day. Everyone developed everything for IE. Had to have it to be on a wide segment of the web. Same way with Chrome now. People have started falling off of Chrime /Google browsers just as they did Microsoft and IE; both times users finally realizing just how shite the company and browser were/are.

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can run Chrome on an iPhone now.

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  • Dave@lemmy.nz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is firefox on iOS a webkit wrapper? www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browsers/…/ios/

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    • atomWood@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Unfortunately, yes.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This will be huge.

    It won’t be really. Android already has sideloading but the vast majority don’t even know you can download stuff outside of the Play Store.

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• chloyster@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Really hope it won’t be just in the EU but it seems likely to be that way :/

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  • Savaran@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Time to switch to buying my upgrades when I visit family in Europe.

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• vin@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can’t wait to see how this will be an implementation designed to be crippled, like they did with web push (why can’t i enable nonn silent notifications?)

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  • Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re right on the money. They’re trying to region lock it. Unlikely that US and possibly UK customers will get it.

    We also found references to a region lock in this API, which suggests that Apple could restrict it to specific countries. This wouldn’t make sense for MDM solutions, but it does make sense for enabling sideloading in particular countries only when required by authorities – such as in the European Union.

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• onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thank you EU 🇪🇺

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• tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If sideloading happen I will buy a spanking new iPhone 15 Pro. It’s the one big thing that is missing from Android.

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  • shortwavesurfer@monero.town ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wait, what? Every version of Android has been able to sideload. I do it for at least one app on a monthly basis

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    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re reading it wrong from his intent. He means that’s the one thing android has that apple doesn’t.

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    • tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sorry for the confusion and thanks for ColeSloth for clarifying. I fixed the text.

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• June@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Getting ahead of the court order I presume.

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  • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Kinda? They have to do it soon, and betas are where they would do it. They wouldn’t just make a “last day possible” update, that would just be bad development practice. Imagine if they were delayed.

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• spez@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Image

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• windowsphoneguy@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just give me an N64 emu and an Arduino IDE

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• SmokumJoe@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I remember when that was just how it was.

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  • ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah yes, the fabled year of two thousand and didn’t happen.

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