Maybe the interest would be better if the story wasn’t rushed garbage.
And for those who say story quality doesn’t matter… BG3 is another reminder.
Report: Bungie CEO blames layoffs on waning interest in Destiny 2
Submitted 1 year ago by Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 1 year ago
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
More that there’s only so much you can do with a looter shooter. Sure you can dress it up but you’re always endlessly shooting bad guys and occasionally collecting things and putting them places. They didn’t help themselves by sticking weapon crafting unlocks behind forcing you to do the daily bullshit over and over hoping to get 5 goddamn red borders to shred so you could continue to grind until you finally had a version that you cared about when in reality you probably already got the roll you wanted before you even unlocked the pattern.
OK yeah maybe destiny does suck now and I wish it was season of the forge again.
loobkoob@kbin.social 1 year ago
I don't think looter-shooters (and loot games in general) are inherently limiting, but loot needs to be exciting. I've played thousands of hours of Path Of Exile, and hundreds of hours of other looter games, and what holds my interest is interesting loot and build variety/depth. That simply doesn't happen in Destiny. Compare Destiny to Borderlands, for instance, and you can see how boring the loot really is. Look at games like Path Of Exile, Grim Dawn, or Last Epoch, and you can see how boring the skill trees are. In all of those other games, I've had items drop where I've been excited to redo my entire build to accommodate it, or to make a new character built around it. In Destiny, items just don't feel exciting enough. (Not every game needs to be as complex as Path Of Exile, but Destiny is incredibly shallow.)
And, of course, Destiny's story has consistently been disappointing. There's some great lore there, but they've failed to translate that into a well-told, engaging story over and over again.
Kaldo@kbin.social 1 year ago
More that there’s only so much you can do with a looter shooter
Warframe seems to disagree, for better or worse they have a new gimmick every few years to keep it interesting, and a pretty good and interesting story to go along with it. I'd sooner say it's just destiny's problem in this particular case.
canis_majoris@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Destiny’s onboarding for new players is literally the worst. If you don’t have a veteran guiding you into the game it’s literally impossible to pick up. You want more interest in the game, then make it easier to actually pick it up instead of flat replacing the starter content.
hogunner@lemmy.world 1 year ago
100%! This was exactly my experience when trying to guide a new (to Destiny) friend through the story and get him geared up. He ended up quitting in frustration in less than a month because nothing made sense.
EvilBit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As a gamer who grew up in the 80’s, lots of games that have any significant online component at all feel like this now. If you don’t pick it up in the first couple months, forget it. It’ll be full of people who play 9 hours a day and it’ll have so many layers of systems and currencies it feels like an absurdist satire. Seasons and prestige and lore and so much baggage. I get so tired of asking “wait, can I earn the blue triangles by playing, do they cost real money, do I trade orange circles for them…?”
Sylvartas@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hell, as a “vanilla” destiny 2 veteran, last time I tried to check it out I had no idea where to go.
rustyfish@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A lot of us left because we weren’t satisfied with the dropping quality. Let’s see how you firing the QA will work out for you, chief.
LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So you don’t like running solo Master Dungeons and then being kicked to orbit right at the end?
So you don’t like running master dungeons and then being wiped from being crushed by an invisible wall?
Sounds like you don’t have Stockholm syndrome.
pozbo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sure the ceo is skilled enough to blame waning interest, but is the ceo skilled enough to ask why interest has waned?
GoodEye8@lemm.ee 1 year ago
To be fair I couldn’t tell you either. Destiny has been rehashing the same shit for years now but for some reason this year people finally got fed up. I can’t believe it’s just because they released a completely filler expansion. But most of the other issues have been around from previous years.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Grinding for days for every fucking thing in the game(including the godsdamned fashion aspects) might have something to do with it.
Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is there anything to do in that game other than grind?
dinckelman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I genuinely want to hear what he thinks the cause of this issue is. Surely he is intelligent enough to put one and two together.
If you continuously underdeliver, repeatedly ignore community feedback, gaslight people into thinking something other than what they believe, and then top it off with mtx of way higher quality than the game itself - that’s all we need to know.
Make a good fucking game, and people won’t have “waning interest”. Even the most die-hard fans within my friend circles have refunded TFS, and I fully understand why
slumberlust@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I like to think of CEOs as defense attorneys. They aren’t saying what they believe or know to be true, they are saying what their job requires them to do.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
-Upton Sinclair
ech@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Gaas was a mistake and I’m hoping companies begin seeing this and course correcting. I get why it happened as it was wildly successful for most, but I’m pretty sure customers don’t actually want the same game and content for forever. Maybe there’s a way to fix it without abandoning the model entirely, but personally I’m hoping it goes away for good.
ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Very few people want to play a single game forever. But a lot of people are willing to hop from Gaas game to Gass game.
Kaldo@kbin.social 1 year ago
but I’m pretty sure customers don’t actually want the same game and content for forever.
The success of long lasting MMOs like WoW, EVE, FFXIV, GW2, Warframe seems to suggest otherwise, as well does the longevity of games like Fortnite, LOL and other non-MMO gaas games. There are even other examples that I'd count - I'd call paradox games like stellaris GaaS as well since they live off constant updates (stellaris has had them for 7 years now and going) and paid DLC.
So I'd say there is definitely an audience for it, a massive one, as long as its done well.
Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
No shit, they’ve alienated everyone interested in the first place.
Jackthelad@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Amazing how just rehashing the same missions over and over again for 5 years leads people to lose interest.
mp3@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I never played and I don’t see myself playing now as I probably missed a lot of storyline and lore that is long gone.
dhork@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What did potatos ever do to make you unfriendly them?
Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Games as a Service are exhausting. We’ve been keeping up with this shit for a decade. Its tiring. I don’t play games with seasons anymore.
dinckelman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You don’t like standing in circles, and throwing energy orbs at things, for 22 seasons in a row?
SLGC@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Don’t forget shooting at crystals and not using the weapon you want.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
hey now we also have to go between three different telephones the size of washing machines all 20 meters apart in a world where you can communicate across the entire solar system instantly with no delay.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bungie really had a thing for making us touch as many balls as possible.
Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
They are still doing that?
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
exactly. I gave MMOs a try, I gave looter shooters a try, and eventually I figured out GAAS is just not for me. single player offline only games please and thank you.
ridethisbike@lemmy.world 1 year ago
First time I’m hearing the phrase “games as a service.” What does that mean??
cttttt@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The more established term is a live service game: A game where development continues far beyond release with a trickle of content to keep players playing (and paying).
Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To put it simply, season passes.
glitches_brew@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s not that my interest is n d2 waned. My Interest is the same, but I’m less and less willing to fork over large sums of money to continue to experience the same game.