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‘The early adopters have adopted’: US carmakers slow their EV growth plans
Submitted 1 year ago by boem@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.ft.com/content/80d79220-612f-4c01-93b7-1d1a846e4b6d
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Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
The Chevy Bolt is 19k after the 7.5k federal credit.
Uprise42@artemis.camp 1 year ago
The bolt is discontinued because it was taking sales away from more expensive vehicles. People don’t massive SUV’s but automakers can make more money on them so they limit options otherwise.
Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social 1 year ago
There's only so many people who can afford to spend $60,000+ on a car
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
I was surprised to learn the Chevy Bolt is 26k for the base model, and would only cost 19k after the federal credit.
Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social 1 year ago
Didn't Chevy discontinue the Bolt?
fatboy93@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The issue is that gor some reason nobody speaks in total cost of buying a car, not the car dealers not the banking institutions. They all talk about monthly payments and for some reason people can’t do basic math that $1000 for 60 months is a huge fucking amount.
buzz86us@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes we’ve adopted, now build cars that are fucking better for an affordable price.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I went to the Ford site to look into their EVs earlier this week. Their site on EV info is so disorganized and unhelpful. Trying to figure out how much charging would cost and the logistics of long-distance travel is way too confusing. They’re even messing it up with a subscription plan to their in-network chargers.
I suspect this is part of the reason people aren’t buying Ford EVs. Buying a car from a dealership is already too antagonized because we all know they’re trying to rip us off. To try to balance it out, shoppers try to gain as much knowledge on the car so they know what they’re agreeing to. However, when the car comes with all this new technology that changes the way we maintain them, and available info is scattered, indirect, unclear, and potentially costs even more, that will push away people that don’t want to deal with it.
Uprise42@artemis.camp 1 year ago
Your electric bill absolutely will not go up by as much as your saving on gas. It’s tough to figure out how much because it depends on your electric rate and how much you drive as well as your charging habits.
I charge my car to full every night and live in western PA, but not sure of what the rates are for electric. My bill is under $150/month though. Gas is almost $4/gallon. Before our first EV in 2018 we spent about $200 a week on gas and gas has only gotten more expensive. We spend less on Electric per month for the entire house (not just the car) than we did on a week in gas.
As for long trips, that’s an area seriously lacking. I use ABRP which is a mapping software that uses your specific model, battery charge, distance, elevation, traffic, and weather to figure out when to charge and for how long. You can also link up a OBDII sensor to get live data for more accurate route adjustments. I’d recommend giving that a look and mess with different cars to see what cars fit the routes you drive the best.
I drove to Kentucky from western PA and only had to stop three times for about 2 hours of charge total in a Kia Niro 2022 EV. But we then didn’t stop to eat at other times we would have because we stopped in places with restaurants so it wasn’t 2 hours lost.
We also did a trip to Washington DC to see the pandas before they left and made it the whole way with no charge. We only had to charge on the way home.
hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Unless this is an indictment of the infrastructure build out (in which case — fair), this doesn’t make sense. You don’t scale back after early adoption — you scale up to mass market.
The US makers scaling back could seriously hamper EV growth now that EV tax credits require assembly in the US. Sounds to me like they need more regulatory incentive to make the production switch.
spudwart@spudwart.com 1 year ago
If only there was an alternative to buying a giant four-wheeled multi-ton money pit death machine that could run on electric instead of fossil fuels.
If only.
Moneo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I can’t think of anything. Time to widen some highways.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Why a pay walled link? Feels like this is an ad.
cybersandwich@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I went on a trip recently and reserved a rental car at the airport. When I went to pick it up there was a huge line.
They were running out of vehicles and didn’t have the types of vehicles that people reserved. I heard them offer electric vehicles to, no exaggerating, at least 10 people. All of them declined.
The common theme was “I don’t know how I’d charge the thing”. Would their hotel have a charger? Would their other destinations? Where were they? How do the chargers work? Do I need an app?
It struck me because that’s still a major issue for EV adoption. Maybe it’s just lack of exposure, but I recall a video that MKB did a while back that said EV charging is too complicated and annoying for normal people.
JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Maybe lower the prices to make it a everyman buy instead of a select few buy?
jmiller@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Nissan Sakura and Mitsubishi eK X EV are $14-16k, but are only for sale in Japan. Nissan closed orders for the Sakura because they already had more orders than capacity to make them. We need vehicles like that everywhere! That would drive EV adoption far, far more than another “affordable” $45k SUV.
rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 1 year ago
I'm always curious about what I understand to be the kei cars. We don't have many in the US bc they supposedly do not meet safety rules. But we had some - what is the hold up, just sakes expectations? A used one of these would possibly be in my price range.
Pulptastic@midwest.social 1 year ago
Smaller electric vehicles to suit 99% of our needs. Bikes, trikes, small 4 seaters.
JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Sure, I’m eyeing a nice cargo bike for a year now. But that also is still tool expensive: I bought my second hand car 5 years for 6k€ and a cargo bike now is around 4k€
Bye@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What about the winter? A bike isn’t going to get me to the ski hill, or even across town when it’s snowing or the roads are icy.
Even in the summer, I can’t put my mountain bike on a bike (yes I know). I can’t put my kayak on a bike.
Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Oh yeah it’s that easy. You should be CEO. What a great idea
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
I wouldn’t purchase one myself that was more than a hybrid until Honda and Toyota (they’re currently closest) square out making solid state batteries that can last a long time. They should be smaller, lighter, cheaper to make, and charge much, much, faster if need be.
Right now if an all electrics battery goes bad it’s costs a massive amount of money to replace and for many vehicles it’s really hard to take out of a vehicle. Toyota is claiming a production vehicle should be 2027-2028 and that company doesn’t generally blow smoke up people’s ass about something only 4 years out. They should be able to get a car with a 300 mile range that can charge in a few minutes in a battery compact enough to easily be removed if it goes bad. That’s what electric vehicles really need. Something that won’t cost $60,000 and end up in a scrap yard after 15 years.
zurohki@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Your belief that EVs aren’t ready yet is the entire point of Toyota’s constant news articles about solid state batteries. Toyota also says EVs are toys and hydrogen is the future, but I’m sure they’re totally serious about EVs.
They’ve been saying solid state batteries are coming in a year or two for years already and still don’t have a prototype to show off.
JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Dude are you in Toyota’s paybook?
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
The Chevy Bolt is 19k after the federal credit.
Alimentar@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yeah and sell at a loss
JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Learn to make them efficient so you don’t need a giant heavy expensive battery…