3nm
That’s a silicon lattice just six atoms thick. What a time to be alive!
Apple officially unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max: 3 nanometer, Dynamic Caching GPU, more
Submitted 1 year ago by simple@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
https://9to5mac.com/2023/10/30/m3-pro-max/
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MooseBoys@lemmy.world 1 year ago
BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nanometers have actually been a marker of generation for quite a while. 3nm is actually 24. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_nm_process
Oderus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Intel does it and it’s annoying. 7mm lithography is actually 10nm. No idea how they get away with false advertising.
doubletwist@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That seems… Illegal. Mich the same as selling a “foot long” Sub or Hotdog which is only 11".
At the very least it’s misleading.
MooseBoys@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wow, I had no clue. TIL
plz1@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I built a M3 MBP just to see how much money a mxed out unit would be.
M3 14" MBP Max chip with all the cores 128GB RAM 8TB storage
$4700
That’s about the cost of my last MBP and iPhone pair, two times over. At that point, why even go for a laptop, vs. what would clearly be a high end desktop station?
coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
*Wonders what a maxed out MBP costs.
*pics the 14”…
Maxed out is $7,199.- (ex Apple care)
kirklennon@kbin.social 1 year ago
At that point, why even go for a laptop, vs. what would clearly be a high end desktop station?
Because you can take that high-end computer with you across the room, on a plane, or anywhere else.
dukk@programming.dev 1 year ago
Yeah, that’s all true, but who really needs that kind of power?
For some people it’s worth it. For most people? Probably not.
IMHO the MacBook Airs and the M1/2 MBPs are looking pretty good right now.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Skip apple entirely. The spec out and testing of the new Qualcomm ARM chip releasing in laptops next year looks to have the m3 beat across the board and will definitely end up at a lower price point.
HollandJim@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes! By all means, but next years’ mythical chip and instead of this proven one!
watcher@nopeeking.link 1 year ago
That’s what I’m waiting for, just that it gets close to Mx performance and has proper Linux support.
JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Did these chips have a translation in hardware like Rosetta? Or emulation that’s almost just as good?
Terevos@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Just for fun, let me buy every upsell, regardless of whether I want or need it.
And then let me compare that to the normal configuration of things I bought…
Why don’t you compare apples to apples. Configure an M3 MBP like you would with fairly normal specs?
modeler@lemmy.world 1 year ago
apples to apples
Well, technically all those computers are Apples, so they’re within their rights
arcadefx1@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The memory maximums are a tad silly. I’d expect … M3 up to 32gb M3 Pro up to 64gb M3 Max ok, this one is ok
The ray tracing is awesome, but minus that I am not eager to move up from my M1 Max.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The memory maximums are going to be more and more important when it comes to local AI applications.
Take language models for an example
To run a 30b model, you need 24gb of video ram to do it fully on the video card. That’s a nvidia 3090 or 4090 today. But in the grand scheme of things, 30b is small. They are going to get much bigger, especially when you want larger contexts which allow the AI to remember more.
Apples memory is unified, so it can be system ram, or video ram. You’ll be able to easily load a 70b model into it for example, where you’d need 2 3090s or 4080s and a hefty PSU on a current Gen non Mac PC.
For the moment, things are better optimized for windows and nvidia hardware, but Apple is encroaching on this space, and their huge amounts of video memory will begin to unlock using and training larger and larger models.
Expect to see nvidia starting to offer higher video ram cards as well for this exact reason.
BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I can’t see local models or hardware needing to scale much past the sizes we already have. Recent models like mistral have shown that we are still far from saturation at current model sizes.
holycrap@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Doesn’t the m2 max allow 196gb of ram? Seems like an odd downgrade. The value in these for me is the unified memory for large ai models, but most consumers may not notice that. Who knows.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s the m2 ultra which is only the desktop version.
IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 1 year ago
M2 release dates.
- M2: June 24, 2022
- M2 Pro and Max: January 17, 2023
- M2 Ultra: June 13, 2023
Damn Apple.
sugartits@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I would expect those machines should have launched earlier than they did: everything was pushed back as a result of supply chain issues.
I am making assumptions here but I’ve heard similar speculation from several places.
exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
What is “dynamic caching”? The article mentions that iris new, but nothing more.
sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Based on my 60 seconds reading on it, onboard GPUs typically share the systems RAM. It is usually a fixed amount from my understanding. Dynamic caching seems to allow the GPU to only consume what it needs. Without knowing more, I’m guessing this means it frees up more RAM for the system instead of holding a fixed chunk in reserve for the GPU, or, on the other side, allows the GPU to use more RAM than some predetermined fixed amount.
According to Apple’s press release, the GPUs in the new Macs are already faster and more efficient than those that came before them. But they go further thanks to their support for Dynamic Caching, a feature that “unlike traditional GPUs, allocates the use of local memory in hardware in real time.”
What does that mean? Apple says that “with Dynamic Caching, only the exact amount of memory needed is used for each task. This is an industry first, transparent to developers, and the cornerstone of the new GPU architecture.”
yoz@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Do we have a m3 air now? I can’t find it. I was planning to buy m2 air but now we have m3 so probably best to wait ?
bitteorca@artemis.camp 1 year ago
Not yet, it’s just the MacBook Pro and iMac for now
set_secret@lemmy.world 1 year ago
pity qualcomm has just wiped the floor with them. even with the new M3 it’s not even close I believe. please correct me if I’m wrong (who am I kidding you’re gunna correct me)
kadu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
[deleted]set_secret@lemmy.world 1 year ago
the snapdragon X Elite beats the M2 by 50% so you’re wrong and it beats the M2 Max in single core too. and does so with 40% less power.
It’s likely the M3 will rival it but it will be close by the looks of it.
Also you’re wrong.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I knew “scary fast” had to mean some sort of processor bump for hardware, but I was secretly hoping they’d kill off the remaining Lightning ports on their keyboards, trackpads, and mice.
And I was hoping they’d finally redesign that god awful mouse. I don’t know how people live with that thing.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I think they want to force trackpads. I can’t even use a mouse anymore. Feels strange.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Whe I use my Mac I only ever use the track pad, it’s amazing.
I’m a software developer and I’ll still only use the track pad when working at my desk with my monitors.
Still need a mouse for gaming though on the gaming PC.
HollandJim@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s you. I love the mouse as it is.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s me, but it’s also a LOT of other people. Those mice are famously hated by many.