Air Purification

Submitted ⁨⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net⁩ to ⁨diy@slrpnk.net⁩

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsi%E2%80%93Rosenthal_Box

With the recent wildfires and the gestures broadly at the world I just wanted to share this link to the Corsi-Rosenthal Box. A simple homemade air filter that can be made with a box fan or several computer fans using off the shelf merv 13 or higher filters from your local store.

Yes, these have existed since before COVID. I had someone elsewhere get made at me because “it shouldn’t be named that! Those two didn’t invent it!” but like, I didn’t choose the name lol. Anyways, I’ve made two for my house (former hoarder house we inherited and we haven’t had the ducts cleaned yet but everything else is clean) and I can say, we both sleep better at night and they worked great through the wild fires.

Anyways, just wanted to share this as a quick little easy project. Or you know, not so quick if you wanna be like the people on Reddit’s r/CRBoxes who 3D print fancy housings and do elaborate computer fan builds. Whichever you prefer.

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ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Personally I use a single 4" thick HVAC filter taped to the back of a box fan, which has similar advantages to the Corsi box, but in a smaller footprint, and allows it to still be pointed at things besides the ceiling.

The 4" thick filter has far more surface area than a single 1", giving it much less flow resistance, so no danger of potentially overheating/straining the motor.

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- greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is also a great idea
  
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HerbGrower@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
No fires here, how much traffic pollution do they remove and how much goes through?

Have wondered about making one, not sure where I would get HEPA sheets like that though, or a fan like that tbh. Don’t seem to be that common in the UK.

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- cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Check the particulate size of what you want to filter out and buy a filter that will filter that size or smaller. HEPA will go down to 0.1-0.3 microns.
  
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- Unrefined@anarchist.nexus ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They are forced-air/furnace filters.
  
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  - HerbGrower@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I don’t think we have those here
    
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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Variations of this idea are genuienly vital health/survival info, right now, and will continue to be going forward.

Yes, one particular design may or may not be more effective than the other, but the basic concept of ‘duct tape a HEPA filter onto a box fan’ is absolutely a critical life hack to know if you live near anywhere that does or can experience signifcantly degraded air quality.

It isn’t perfect, but it immensely better than doing nothing, and most importantly, it is not horrendously cost prohibitive (at least currently, jfc).

Walking around for 30 minutes in wildfire smoke is roughly equivalent to smoking a couple of packs of cigarrettes.

You probably do not want to be inhaling that shit all day long, for many days at a time, if you live in a home/building that does not have its own air purification system.

Chances are you probably don’t.

So have these things on hand, to assemble, when a wildfire or something decides your city is especially beautiful to it.

Fires and smoke can come fast, suddenly, with relatively little warning.

Be prepared.

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e0qdk@reddthat.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Is it really worth building a cube out of the things or would slapping a filter on each side of the box fan work about as well?

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- ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It does not work well. The dramatically reduced airflow means the fan is working hard for basically nothing.
  
  However, if you are gunna go through the trouble of making a cube anyway, you can make one out of thin strips of wood or laminated cardboard, and attach washable air filter material all around it, and you never have to rebuild it or replace the filters. Just wash it with a sprayer of some sort (hose, shower, sink) once every few months.
  
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  - greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    My bad, deleted my comment because I realized I was saying basically what you were (because I can’t read today lol)
    
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- theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  One filter taped flat to the fan is an option that works but it is not as good. More filters means more air can flow through them and the fan is less strained by restricted airflow.
  
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- Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There are alternate builds cleanaircrew.org/box-fan-filters/.
  
  In past years, I’ve built one with only one filter that the fan pulls through. You need to offset the filter from the face of the fan still by 8" or so with a cardboard spacer to help it be more efficient. It worked.
  
  I’ve also built one with two filters in a triangle configuration, that one worked well too.
  
  This is the first year that I’ve built one that is actually a cube with 4 filters. They all work, the 4 filter one works the best, but it also takes up the most space.
  
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  - bizarroland@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I also built one, and I attached charcoal filters to it, which has significantly reduce the amount of dust in my house, and the air generally smells not at all.
    
    The previous owners of my house were dog owners, so if I don’t run it for a while, then there’s like a hint of dog odor that even replacing all of the carpet and flooring in the entire house and running an ozone machine on workdays for a week has not gotten rid of.
    
    But as long as the fan is running, that odor is taken care of.
    
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- roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  No, it wouldn’t work about as well for several reason. The biggest reason is you’re halving the surface area and reducing the airflow.
  
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  - Noobnarski@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The biggest reason is that such fans are designed for low pressure and high volume operation, when you blow air around the room you really don’t need very much pressure.
    
    So the fan blades already are already no longer operating at their optimum pressure when they have 5 filters to suck air through (each filter only has to let 1/5 of the air through, so the differential pressure over the filters is much lower), but it’s much closer to the ideal operating pressure than two filters behind each other.
    
    If the pressure gets too high the fan stops being able to push any air through the filters and the efficiency reaches zero.
    
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  - Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    And I guess the crap wouldn’t be neatly enclosed in a box too.
    
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- greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I did a filter on the back of a box fan until my multi pack arrived from Costco. It does something but, not as much. You want more surface area for more filtering from what I understand.
  
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- InputZero@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  A box fan with a filter slapped on each side would probably work nearly as well for half as long. This is assuming that the filter doesn’t starve the fan of air. Filters are more or less all about surface area. Two filters instead of four means half the surface area doing the same amount of work.
  
  Tldr; the cube is better, but even a single filter on a fan is better than nothing.
  
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mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
In my area, we have annual fires that get pretty bad. Add in ag related pollution, allergies, etc…and air quality is almost always unhealthy.

Our local makerspace has partnered up with our local asthma collaborative to make custom PM sensors here: https://www.sjvair.com/

We have tried out a couple of designs and had actual science done on which custom air purifiers did the best. One of the members rigged up a airtight area and pushed smoke in. Got a couple of readings, then did the same test with the air purifier designs.
We found a couple that work well.

https://github.com/opennukit/Nukit-Open-Air-Purifier/ is a good one.

One that we improvised was the following:

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3d printed brackets, a filter, and some activated carbon and you have a good air purifier. Family uses these for white noise and air purification at night. It works wonders! The fan is 20$ at any wallmart, the filters are dirt cheap. And you can get huge rolls of activated carbon on amazon. No need to over complicate things, just bracket everything on, let it sit for a good 3-4 months, then look and see if anything needs replacing.

One note of caution, some of the huge box designs like the one OP is suggesting was having trouble with the engine overheating. Most of these box fans use the air to cool off the internals. If it doesn’t get that for many hours, it can start overheating. Just check after running whatever solution you come up with and make sure the engine isn’t getting hot.

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- greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I haven’t heard anything about box fans overheating with the boxes on the back and I’ve been following these builds on Reddit for 2 years before I built one. The general consensus is there’s MORE air flow with the box.
  
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  - mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Get a heat gun. You can see it happening in real time.
    
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Grass@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I use two thicker filters in a trangle config with just cardboard on the top an bottom. This way my birds don’t stand on the grill and poop in the fan.

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- Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Same! With four 120mm PC fans, it works amazingly and actually fits in my room!
  
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- greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I have to assume that this has happened before? Lol. Birds are fun.
  
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  - Grass@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    so pigeons outside only have wet splat poops because of some sort of microbe, and normally they should poop nugs. but a pigeon laying eggs will hold it in longer and poop out cigars. The smaller birds like cockatiel or budgie will poop out little pellets that cleanly fit between the grills. Sickly old retired bird from the shelter on daily meds will poop out gross slimey puddles. The senegal parrot will attack the robot mop and flip it…
    
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EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I love how some engineers “had the idea” and slapped their name on something people have been making for literal decades.

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- LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Until you test it and document it, it’s just a guess that it’s actually doing something.
  
  Is actually showing that something is useful worth getting your name on it? Well, now it’s more published and more people are aware of it, so maybe?
  
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Hello_there@fedia.io ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Nuka tempest seemed decent for a diy idea.
The shark 5 yr purifier is good for set it and forget it and low cost of ownership.
Definitely look up cost of filters before you buy.
Housefresh has detailed reviews and you can watch the videos of them testing the device

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