How Much Does It Cost to Charge an Electric Vehicle? (A comparison at home and on the road, with gasoline)

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• AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  $0.058 / kWh at home for me.

  About $0.115 at my friend’s house.

  About $0.25 at some public chargers.

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  • twoface_99@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Those are amazing prices.

    In Germany I pay: -0.33$ at home and work -0.72$ - 0.88$ on public chargers

    Gas is currently about 7.68$ per gallon. ._.

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    • khannie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Those are amazing prices

      Right?!? Wildly jealous of those low electricity prices. I’m also in the EU and paying 46.6c (euro) / around 50c US.

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    • tmRgwnM9b87eJUPq@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Tesla super chargers are €0,36 per kWh

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  • reddig33@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, the quoted $40 fillup is in Hawaii where everything is expensive.

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  • SoleInvictus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What area? I live in the PNW. Need to know where to avoid 😂

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  • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s insanely cheap. We pay $0.11 off peak and $0.33 on peak (4p-8p). At $0.33 for my PHEV it’s no cheaper than gas at $3.99/gal.

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  • SpaghettiYeti@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So what is that in total if you were nearly depleted?

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    • AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      $5-$6 USD

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• tankplanker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Some UK prices for comparison:

  At home within the EV charging window with Octopus I pay 9p a kwh, outside that window its just over 29p, so I never charge outside the window. I also run my dishwasher, washing machine and anything else I can during that window, typically excluding my EV charging (we are a 3 EV household as both my kids have EVs), we have about a quarter of our electric usage during the cheap window.

  Typical cost outside the home for a charger up to 22kw is about 45p a kwh, rising to 75p a kw for ultra rapid pushing out a couple of hundred kws. Its pretty normal in the UK to pay more for a faster charger.

  Some places still have free charging but these are drying up, and typically they are limited to a couple of hours of charging at 3 to 7kw.

  Petrol is 155.5p a liter, or about £7.06 a (UK) gallon. A modern ICE than is a similar size to my EV should be getting around 50mpg, so 14.12p per mile. 70mpg is possible out of a modern self charging hybrid, this is about 10p a mile. Plug in hybrids potentially offer the same battery power only for 100% of the journey that a full EV offers in the UK for the majority of journeys, as the UK average distance is about 8.5 miles.

  My EV gets 4.5 miles per kwh in the summer so about 2p a mile, when its properly cold in the winter than drops to about 3.5 miles per kwh or 2.57p per mile.

  Assuming an equal cost to own and run (which is not the same as purchase price) EVs are significantly cheaper in the UK if you charge at home. If you cannot charge at home then I would look into a provider like Shell installing an on street charger in a lamppost or not bothering at this point if you are motivated by cost.

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  • khannie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s really useful information. Thanks for taking the time.

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  • Madbrad200@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How does the process of requesting a street charger work, wouldn’t that require council approval or some such?

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    • tankplanker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As its street furniture it will, like the approval to hook up a charger to the grid, which all fixed (home) chargers need in the UK, it should be handled by the installer for you. As there are as many NIMBY councils you have a non zero chance of it being approved or not approved, there are councils will reject solar panel installs for example.

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• cosmic_slate@dmv.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Now that almost everyone in the US has coalesced around NACS, I’m hoping this leads to more aggressive pricing competition with fast charging.

  As far as most of my driving, the cost has been great since it’s mostly local. I eliminated a gas bill for a marginal bump in power bill.

  When I go on trips I save a little bit by finding hotels with charging or have been known to let people use power outlets. By time I leave the hotel I have a “filled tank” for only a couple dollars at most. Plugshare has been wonderful for finding hotels with this in mind.

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  • RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This should happen, as in, I expect it to.

    Similarly how nearly all gas stations in a given region obtain gas at similar costs from, often, the same distributors, they really only profit from the higher margins on food, etc. in the attached store. If we don’t end up with many more dedicated charging locations like Buccees in the next decade, I’ll be very surprised.

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    • DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In Europe we’ve had the CCS2 standard for ages, yet charging at different brands is still a fucking jungle when it comes to pricing. Every company seems to insist that charging your EV should be a subscription service, and if you want to use their chargers without a subscription they screw you over with insane pricing like 1.5€/kWh. This trens of everything “as a service” is the bane of modern existence and should be banned.

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• reddig33@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • kadu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • Blooper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I agree, but I still get a hard-on for the electric Hummer. Not because of the way it looks, but because of all the crazy shit it can do like crab walk and the huge ass battery it has. It’s actually a pretty amazing piece of tech.

      -Bolt owner

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  • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    here, use mine, a bigger one Image

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• nomecks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  19 cents/kwh at home, and that includes all fees and taxes. The most expensive charge I did was at a Petro Canada, which was 53 cents a minute. I was just topping up so the 20 minutes I was there came to a whopping 91 cents/kwh. There’s a lot of free fast chargers where I am too.

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• bob_wiley@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    yeah but thats mpg, not counting for idling in traffick, which if you are hopping around town doing your chores and shopping and what have your super efficient highway MPG isnt going to be nearly as relevant, and will consume a alot more gas.

    Which makes electric, even charging off a tier 1 plugin charger, more viable I think, from a fuel perspective.

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    • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We definitely don’t realize how often we sit idle at lights, etc. That destroys MPG in a gas vehicle. In an electric the vehicle doesn’t even lower the kWh since it’s not providing energy to the motor(s) while idle.

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• cbarrick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This summer, at Electrify America in Erie PA, I recently paid $0.35 / kWh. And at Electrify Canada in Hamilton ON, I paid $0.57 CAD / min, which is $0.23 CAD / kWh at 150 kW.

  This is roughly on par with the cost of gasoline, per mile. I assume the margins are pretty thick for Electrify, because household electricity costs less than a third of that.

  For example, say it costs $0.35 / kWh. At 3.5 miles / kWh, that’s $0.10 / mile.

  For comparison, say gas costs $3.50 / gallon. At 30 miles / gallon, that’s $0.12 / mile.

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  • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A side note: It’s only on par with gas dependent on the kWh. When that changes the outcome changes. Not all EVs get 3 kWh.

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• Copernican@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I appreciate the plain English for the mixed bag it is for apartment dwellers.

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  • XMRFrbgNBwQC6Hkd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Can we have electricity? No, we have electricity at home!

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• zoe@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  EV home charging is cheap, but it costs us the environement: using utility electricity generated from coal plants (so is supercharging)

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  • spongebue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Gasoline comes from oil. Electricity comes from coal. Or oil. Or natural gas. Or nuclear. Or hydro. Or wind. Or solar. Or hamsters running on wheels. The renewable options are there and they’re only becoming more prevalent.

    Also, power plants scale much better at producing large amounts of energy more efficiently than a bunch of tiny little engines make a car go. So sure, coal plays a part in feeding an electric car, but if you’re going to advocate against it anyway you’re missing the bigger picture.

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    • totallynotarobot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If there are any hamsterologists here I’d very much like to see the math on hamster charging of EVs please

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    • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      i ll edit my comment to ‘fossil and non renewables (nuclear)’ instead of ‘coal’. hopefully the point would get through some of ur (few) brain wrinkles, and i mean this to all people who share this same trait

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  • Landmammals@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If only it were possible to generate power without burning coal.

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  • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    EV home charging is cheap, but it costs us the environement: using utility electricity generated from coal plants (so is supercharging)

    Only 8 states in the USA still generate the majority of the their electricity from coal. Its none of the big populated ones.

    Coal use continues to decline in the USA while renewables continue to increase:

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    • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      the rest is whether: nuclear, or fossil, which all are finite and non renewables. only a small fraction are renewables

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  • BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The gas you burn in a car is 100% carbon-based. The energy in your home is usually not. It’s a mix of carbon-based and renewables. Also, your local coal plant is much more energy-efficient than your engine which probably hasn’t been tuned up in years.

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    • jballs@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Even if you have an EV charging on a shitty coal power plant, it’s still vastly more efficient than putting a small, personal power plant in a car and carrying around gasoline to burn. A modern EV uses the equivalent of about 3 gallons of gas to go 300 miles.

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  • red@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Even if 100% of EV charging was by burning oil/coal, the power plants still manage this with greater efficiency than the internal combustion engine on your car. That means that even at it’s worst, it’s still way more environmentally friendly to drive an EV.

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  • megalodon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This argument makes no sense. ICE cars have no option other than fossil fuels. Charging at home the electricity will at least be from some renewable sources, and the percentage is always increasing.

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    • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not to mention that even coal power plants generate energy at far cleaner rates than ICE.

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  • MajorSauce@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not all countries use legacy energy sources. Iceland is 100% renewables (hydroelectric and geothermal) and Quebec is 100% hydroelectric…

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  • frezik@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m glad you’ve pointed out that we haven’t solved every single problem at the same time. We never would have known without this blazing insight.

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  • jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You are aware that internal combustion engines also use non-renewables at a much lower efficiency than grid-scale use of non-renewables, right?

    Were you aware that only ~1/3 the energy from combustion is harnessed for propulsion in a traditional ICE?

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    • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      probably even 1/4…an EV charged from fossil electricity saves only 33% on emissions compared to a fossil car. personally if i am paying 40k$ for an EV i am expecting my purchase to act as a contribution to safeguard the environement, not only to save on repair costs and mileage, but thats my personal preference… a Tesla costs 40k$ at least, while a 40kwh nissan leaf costs 30k$, and there s no in-between, EVs are a pass for me for now but thats my opinion. Hope i am allowed to have one.

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  • onionbaggage@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My solar panels beg to differ.

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  • ciaocibai@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Wait so the NZ government is lying to me about our renewable energy sources? And my home solar panels are just faking the energy production? Or did you forget the world is more than just that place you live in?

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  • JoBo@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Unless you have a dedicated source of renewable energy that does not feed excess back into the grid, all the electricity you use has the exact same mix of fossil and renewable as the grid you’re connected to.

    That is an argument for improving the fuel sources used by the grid, not an argument against switching to things that can physically be powered by renewables.

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    • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Megapacks can be used to phase out fossil plants and avoid excess electricity, thus growing the share of renewable sources in the energy mix

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• topinambour_rex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I got it how to charge at home or ok the road, but how with gasoline ?

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  • FauxPseudo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fill a generator with gasoline. Plug the car into the generator.

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    • zoe@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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• ciaocibai@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve got a small 3kw solar system with about 9kwh of battery storage and that manages about 90% of our yearly charging. Otherwise in nz I pay about 10(US) cents per kWh from 11pm-7am (about 20 cents in daytime) for my charging at home. Public chargers are generally around 40 cents /kWh but range from 50-200kw so can dump power in pretty fast (although my car maxes out at 50kw for charging).

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