Appears to be Hetzner for now, wouldn’t be surprised if all VPS get affected eventually.
as always for profit orgs are proven to be abusive on their customers… so happy that I’m using Jellyfin
Plex will be blocking access from at least VPS provider
Submitted 1 year ago by briongloid@aussie.zone to selfhosted@lemmy.world
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Krafting@lemmy.world 1 year ago
anteaters@feddit.de 1 year ago
lol “Selfhosted” my ass - that’s why FOSS is superior regardless of features.
witx@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Exactly, open source is always worth the extra effort, if any, to get things working. Contribute!
Krafting@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This ^
Bimbleby@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If i could get HW accelleration to work, like it does in Plex, I would switch yesterday.
Molecular0079@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Works fine for me via VAAPI on Linux using /dev/dri/renderD128. What OS are you using?
gencha@feddit.de 1 year ago
What’s the problem? I gave it GPU access and it just worked. Given Jellyfin is a fork, it shouldn’t be too different
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Works fine for me! (DS920+)
Owljfien@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 year ago
Works better for me, I do av1 which I don’t remember plex even supporting
Chariotwheel@kbin.social 1 year ago
This is the last straw. I already was very shakey with all the restrictions that were piling up, but this is just one thing too much. Cancelling my subscription and installing jellyfin.
lewis@lem.social 1 year ago
Yep same here, I've been curious about trying Jellyfin for a long time now so this just gives me all the more reason
kokesh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve switched few years ago and didn’t look back .
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I switched to Jellyfin a long time ago and I don’t regret it at all. Even for non-techie friends and family the experience has been more pleasant.
Chariotwheel@kbin.social 1 year ago
Yeah. it was just pure lazyness on my part. I had Plex setup and all and didn't want to bother with something new.
kionite231@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Jellyfin ftw
PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Plex is still the better platform. Jellyfish lacks so much features and isn’t supported on most native TV OS.
Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve had no trouble setting up jellyfin on Roku, Google/Android, and FireTV. It seems AppleTV is the only major one lacking support right now, and that will hopefully be addressed soon.
I tried out Plex (and Emby) before Jellyfin and was annoyed how much functionality was locked behind a paywall even though I was hosting the content myself. Jellyfin is completely free and lets me add as many users on as many devices as I damn well please.
CeeBee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Dear lord! Don’t use the system in a smart tv for anything!
decta@feddit.nl 1 year ago
switched to Jellyfin, took about 10 minutes to have it up and running. Cya Plex
hansl@lemmy.world 1 year ago
AFAICT for self hosted only Plex works with smart TVs.
ashen@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Jellyfin has apps for Firestick, Roku, Android TV etc - they’re listed on their website. There are also some third-party ones.
vividspecter@lemm.ee 1 year ago
There’s definitely more Plex apps but I’d suggest just getting a third party streamer if your TV doesn’t have a Jellyfin app (which suggests it’s probably quite out of date and probably not the best option).
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Why is anyone still using plex?
After the last time they fucked over their userbase, jellyfin was created, an open source system that is awesome.
Dump plex, come to jellyfin, we got cookies.
JoeHill@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t want your cookies. I want privacy.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
That’s illegal
SiblingNoah@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The Jellyfin experience on iOS and Apple TV is not as good as Plex. Hopefully someday that will change.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Probably because those are just as proprietary as plex
nabladabla@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Jellyfin was forked when emby went closed source, I don’t think it had anything much to do with any specific event at plex
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
It’s been a while now but I remember it happened when Plex forked over their users
ItsaB3AR@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
This seems kinda scummy. If someone breaks TOS then ban the one account. I’ve seen for years now people bringing up jellyfin, knew it was coming when I saw this headline. I never tried it because I have iOS devices and an Apple TV, but now I see there are 3rd party apps for jellyfin on iOS/tvos. I may try it out, move if it satisfies my needs.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Jellyfin is awesome
dan@upvote.au 1 year ago
The thing that keeps me from switching to other systems like Jellyfin is that none of them have a music app as good as Plexamp.
dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 1 year ago
I recommend infuse over swiftfin. Swiftfin is FOSS, so it has that going for it, but Infuse works better right now.
radau@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Heavily agree, a lot of content had issues playing for me with swiftfin. No issues at all with Infuse other than the fact that intro skipper doesn’t work with it
beefcat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The one thing keeping me off Jellyfin is the fact that Infuse for Apple TV doesn’t have great support for it yet. Infuse is by far the most capable media player on the device, and it has excellent integration with Plex.
timetraveller@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Air Video HD and its server software was so smooth. I’ve begged for it to return, but I am only able to use it still because I own old licenses.
It runs great on M1/M2 macOS, iPad, iPhone, and Apple TV. Streams all my content without issue every time.
Infuse is… alright, but it lacks the ability to adjust some things, and I really wish it had a more “list mode” style, and easier setup. I am getting more used to it, but I only use it for some files, where AirVideoHD and VLC play everything.
Who is going to to revive Air Video HD??
feyo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Swiftfin isn’t perfect, but Is pretty good on AppleTV.
Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 1 year ago
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters Plex Brand of media server package SSL Secure Sockets Layer, for transparent encryption VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)
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scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 year ago
ITT: People who don’t use Plex proudly talking about how they don’t use Plex.
This move makes sense to me. They could be liable for what’s hosted in the cloud, and on top of that you can’t pay for access, and the host is known as a great place to let people do that.
I really don’t understand the people who use jellyfin but insist on shitting on Plex. You can both use jellyfin and not also not be smug about it. It’s the same reason people are tired of the Linux user or back in the day why android users were so annoying.
Molecular0079@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They could be liable for what’s hosted in the cloud
Liable for something hosted on someone’s private VPS? That’s like saying Apache or Nginx is liable if someone uses it to host a torrent site. I don’t really buy it tbh.
I really don’t understand the people who use jellyfin but insist on shitting on Plex.
I think people are allowed to critique and express disappointment over a product that they paid for. Just because you personally don’t care about the direction of Plex doesn’t mean other users can’t express their valid viewpoints. Plex at one point said they didn’t really care what people put up on their private servers and now they’re dialing that back and essentially asserting control over what people already paid for. People are right to be upset.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 year ago
That’s like saying Apache or Nginx is liable if someone uses it to host a torrent site. I don’t really buy it tbh.
Tell that to your company’s team of lawyers who are telling you just to take it down. Even if it’s a grey area legal will tell you just to be proactive and avoid the whole thing. Plus like I said, charging for access is against ToS anyway, and most hosters who do that use this cloud service. Few bad apples spoil the bunch as they say.
and I’m cool with valid viewpoints, but god is everyone in this thread saying the same lazy thing. “Plex is trash, I dumped it, get Jellyfin”. Like okay, I get it, can we not have 98% of the thread talking about Plex just saying “It’s trash”. At least some of them have valid criticism you’re talking about, and I’m all for that, but I’m just over the pure vomit that most of these comments are. You’re criticism is valid and makes sense, the lazy comments just saying “lol I switched to Jellyfin” are just annoying to me. Great, high five to you.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Agreed. They’re trying to kill off Plex Shares, where people are essentially using their software to run their own for-profit streaming service using pirated content. This shit affects all of us as it brings on lawsuits and new laws to combat just so some random dude can make some extra cash selling access.
ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Forget their reasoning, the fact that they can block access at all should be reason enough for anyone to abandon them. Glad I abandoned my lifetime membership years ago.
Madiator2011@lm.madiator.cloud 1 year ago
I had to move to cloud cause energy prices. Using plex just to having easy access to my music collection. Now need to find good alternative for plexamp.
Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Finamp. Literally the same thing but for jellyfin :)
Auli@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Not even close. Where is the Android auto support?
lemann@lemmy.one 1 year ago
This would be viable for users who don’t use smart/programmable/dynamic playlists, and the various features backed by a track analysis ML model in plexamp
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Finamp with Jellyfin works, or you could look into a pure audio streaming service like Airsonic or Navidrome. They both work with Subsonic ecosystem apps like dSub on android. There’s also Audiobookshelf for audio books.
garrett@infosec.pub 1 year ago
This is truly the biggest bummer since Plexamp is a really nice audio player.
Madiator2011@lm.madiator.cloud 1 year ago
Other alternative that is usable I found is Roon. Though it has big flaw. No desktop app for Linux :(
istdaslol@feddit.de 1 year ago
Im very curious about what was the actual violation
briongloid@aussie.zone 1 year ago
It’s about the server access sellers, but to block a whole major VPS instead of accounts that commit the violation is kinda absurd.
It looks like another step towards further restricting what users can do with their servers, local or virtual.
Owljfien@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 year ago
Yeah I got sick of feeling like it wasn’t my plex server even though I have plex lifetime pass. Have stopped using it in favour of jellyfin
rentar42@kbin.social 1 year ago
So these are people that sell access to (presumably media-filled) existing Plex installations?
That does seem like a problematic thing to do and I understand why Plex wants to shut that down.
But surely their tons of online-integrations and user-account-requirements gives them other tools at their disposal than outright blocking a major VPS provider, that seems insane.
Thorned_Rose@kbin.social 1 year ago
More reasons I'm glad we switched to Jellyfin
paraphrand@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sever access sellers are kinda shitty and not what Plex should be about. IMO.
I’m not saying this action is good.
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why is every company committing suicide by user hate?
Is there something in the corporate water?
RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Starting in ~2010 there was an absolute gold rush of investment in the tech sector - if you had a moderately good idea, knew how to put a proposal together and could get it in front of the right people, you could get $10-50 million without having to worry about little things like “how are we going to turn a profit” and “how will week keep paying the expensive developers and infrastructure costs when the investment money runs out”.
This has changed in the last few years - the money is drying up, and the investors that are left and much more worried about their investments actually having a business model and a path to profitability rather than just throwing money at people and hoping that Google buys them for 50x the original investment.
No special insider knowledge, but I’d bet this is what is happening - Plex probably isn’t in a spot where they can sustain the current staffing and infrastructure costs purely out of existing revenue. They will be reliant on ongoing investment to let them keep developing rather than just keeping the lights on, and that investment with more conditions than it would have been 5 years ago - they will need to hit targets for number of accounts, percentage of paid accounts etc or they won’t be getting further investment, which for a tech product is effectively a slow death sentence
Player2@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Good thing I didn’t get a lifetime pass back when it was on sale, was kind of tempting a couple years ago
daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
On one hand I hate that legit users are punished for the actions of few cunts selling massive plex libraries and using Hetzner because of cheap storage and unlimited transfer, but I sort of understand that plex doesn’t want to be associated with piracy (lol).
On the other, fuck Plex. Seems trivial to detect these massive libraries with hundreds of “friends” and just shut those down. Seems insane to block a whole fucking provider over this. I’ve been a paid subscriber since day one and then bought a lifetime pass, but this dumb move is making me consider other products.
But on third hand, I don’t really care because I use tailscale so I almost never use the plex’s proxy anyway.
Kekin@lemy.lol 1 year ago
I wonder if you can get around this by using cloudflare proxy for a domain and then in the settings for the server disabling remote access and only allowing discovery through your domain? I’m not with Hetzner but I’ll give this setup a try and see how it goes.
dan@upvote.au 1 year ago
It’s against Cloudflare ToS to use video through their services (both the reverse proxy and the tunnel) unless you pay for their video streaming service.
elderflower@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They removed that clause. Ctrl-f “video” on their ToS page gives 0 results
Kekin@lemy.lol 1 year ago
Oh, thanks for pointing that out. Didn’t know
PrejudicedKettle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Never even heard of Hertzner, but I’m super curious about your results, I’m currently running a proxy with CloudFlare on some services but not on Plex
pe1uca@lemmy.pe1uca.dev 1 year ago
I never understood this, it’s your selfhosted server but you kind of don’t own it and depend on them, so you just have an application which depends on a their service which means plex isn’t 100% selfhostable, correct?
domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 year ago
Plex has been hostile towards self-hosting since the very beginning. They have been asked to add local authentication for more than 10 years.
shyguyblue@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yup, as soon as they started the mandatory login bullshit, I bounced. Companies keep adding this “feature” as a way to control your stuff: Doom on Switch, Halo Master Chief edition, nvidia, my fucking mouse(!?); all need a login for no other reason than to add a point of failure/killswitch.
aard@kyu.de 1 year ago
The problem is that they want to route control through their own servers for making sure you can’t use some of the extra features without paying.
A few years back they dropped some clients (including the one for my old TV) because they were dropping support for legacy SSL ciphers on their servers - and those devices didn’t have support for the new ciphers. This is a pretty stupid dependency due to the way they want to do things - so I moved to jellyfin back then, and have been encouraging people to drop plex ever since.
droans@lemmy.world 1 year ago
TLS 1.0/1.1? Those were deprecated and dropped by the IETF with RFC 8996. You can’t even get a certificate using 1.0/1.1 anymore unless you are self-signing.