Submitted 8 months ago by onlinepersona@programming.dev to programming@programming.dev
Let’s be honest, the majority here probably has a github account. Some of us are happy as a clam and wouldn’t switch no matter what happened, but there are some who would and haven’t yet. Why?
Charging me 0.20 cents every time someone git clones my projects.
What? You can’t afford 0.60 cents?
Don’t forget the $2000+ per maintainer mandatory Pro subscription fee when you reach over 1 mil clones.
It's hard to overstate the psychology behind the github profile. As a developer, your github profile shows that you're actively developing, whether it's for open source projects or for work projects. My previously company used a private gitlab install, which meant only my open source work showed up on github. My current company uses github, which means my profile shows green all the time.
We're a small company, but the github costs are a drop in the bucket. As others have said, it'd take something truly federated, or a crazy price jump from Github, for me to consider moving. It's free for my open source projects, it's a small amount for my company, and I have a public profile I can point to whenever I'm discussing my development.
ForgeFed and whatever Gitlab is doing with the PR federation taking off.
In the meantime I make my gh account as lean as possible.
Federation is honestly the biggest thing that could happen to github alternatives, IMO. They can work on CICD next, but federation would be so sick.
GitLab already has stellar CI/CD, far superior to GitHub Actions IMO
If GitHub changes terms of use to pay for basic stuff, or starts breaking compatibility or adding egregious bugs, I would start looking for alternatives.
A while ago I add all my personal projects on GitLab. I was a GitLab fanboy and advocated it everywhere to the point I convinced the project manager of a previous job to migrate the team’s projects to it and pay for GitLab ultimate. Without going into details, that goodwill ended the moment I stumbled upon a regression introduced by GitLab which affected my personal projects, and their customer support essentially said the issue was won’t fix but it was fixed in premium customers. I simply unblocked myself by moving all projects to GitHub, disabled GitLab CICD and shut down my GitLab runners, and onboarded onto a mix of GitHub Actions and CircleCI.
Yeah, I don’t know what Gitlab is doing. They burned so much goodwill with their recent pro-business and fuck opensource dev attitude, that I consider them dead in the water. It’s a real pity because I consider their offering to be way ahead of github (project management, issue management, CICD, devops experience, etc.), but they hide it all behind Premium even on self-installs. I really want to use them because they’re better and opensource, but their pricing is beyond fucked IMO.
If Codeberg were Gitlab lite and working towards implementing gitlab features, I’d use them, but they’re just github lite and github is shite, IMO
I hope that charging for basic stuff never comes. I doubt it since like the first thing MSFT did after buying it was to make some pro stuff free (like private repos)
Pretty much any deterioration of service would do it, I’m not tied to github at all, it works but so does gitlab and self hosted solutions.
I have a GitHub for commenting and contributing on GitHub
I have a Gitlab for commenting and contributing on Gitlab
I have a personal gitea instance for all my personal projects.
Honestly, the project default instance is whatever makes sense for that project.
Other hosters gaining more popularity, among other reasons, GitHub is owned by one of the worst companies around, I found Codeberg and switched there, now almost all of my projects live on Codeberg, mirrored to GitHub cause I don’t expect an employer would follow a link to Codeberg if I solely include it on my CV
Lol. I read “Other oysters gaining more popularity”, and found it very appropriate !
Same. Shame though they may still probably have the audacity to use mirrors for non-consensual copilot training.
The big and growing issue is that too much functionality is in GitHub and not in Git itself. So while you can move or mirror your repository very easily, moving your issue tracker or pending pull requests is a lot harder and comes with huge loss of information (e.g. there is no way to contact the submitter of a bug report, as all you get is a GitHub username, not email and GitHub doesn’t even offer PMs).
That said, I’d happily ditch GitHub for anything more distributed, e.g. hosting Git repositories on IPFS, integration with git-bug, etc. You can mostly DIY that today, but a hoster that provides some free storage would be very much welcome to help with availability.
The social aspect of GitHub is pretty important, to me, professionally.
So I’m primarily waiting for a project like GitLab to support federation.
I want to be able to work where-ever makes sense, but still have strong discovery support for all of my public work.
At the moment, that makes me a GitHub user. I’m watching for GitLab to announce activity pub support, though.
I’m also watching for GitHub to start down the venture capital enshitification route, of course.
My loyalty is fluid and my projects are portable
The problem is that you lose out on dev attention when moving away from github.
I moved my projects into github when placeholder projects literally containing a README with a link to the real repo only got way more interaction on github than in the real repository: More stars, more views, more issue reports and even more PRs (where the devs have obviously Cloned the repo from the actual repository but could not be arsed to push there as well).
If you want your project to be visible, it needs to be on github at this point in time:-(
Once federation gets added to one of the FOSS, self hosted alternatives, I’ll probably switch. I’ll mirror stuff to github probably, for resume/recruiter purposes, but the CI/CD and main development will happen on whatever alternative I chose.
Never had much use for an account on a public repo and started disliking GitHub once it got bought, so I’m in the third category: never had any repo on GitHub, anything marginally significant that I have (i.e. only one private repo atm) I host in Codeberg. You can follow them on the fediverse @Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de
I host my projects mostly on Codeberg but still keep a Github account because of the multitude of useful projects that are unfortunately hosted on GitHub. I wouldn’t waste a second to delete my GH account if those projects migrated to Codeberg or any other Libre alternatives.
Same. The biggest reason I’m still on github is because there’s no way to contribute to projects there without a user account.
Well, there’s just not much reason to switch yet. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
(Well, maybe Copilot training, but I’m sure those dipshits at OpenAI scrape Gitlab too.)
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
If you know it will break, try to see how to reduce the damages.
I already host my projects on my own gitea server so…
Do you collaborate with others? If so, how? And what do you use for CI(CD)?
They are working on ActivityPub integration so you can work together with people on other instances.
I don’t collaborate with others on my private projects. But if I would, then I would just invite people to register themselves on my instance like they would on github, gitlab, bitbucket etc.
I have yet to deploy my pages via CI/CD but thats a project I want to do eventually :)
I’m not OP but I use Woodpecker CI, also self hosted. Gitea is also working on Gitea Actions which are supposed to be compatible with Github Actions, but I think it’s still on beta.
I don’t understand the question or the responses.
It’s a host for code repos. I would “switch” from GitHub if the repos I need to interact with were hosted somewhere else.
How do y’all use GitHub? Is everyone running their own open source project? None of my personal projects have ever been open source before. Very few of them were even useful for anyone but myself
I’ve been a developer for 20 years, I’ve never felt dependent on public code repos for my own career before, and I would be uncomfortable if it happened. No employer has even asked for my public GitHub profile or to see my commit activity. Not even when the company hosted their code on GitHub
Very few of them were even useful for anyone but myself
Most developers learn and grow by doing - which means learning by making mistakes, googling their error messages, and looking at examples of other people doing what they’re trying to do - which is why you should always open source your code unless there’s a specific reason not to.
I’ve never felt dependent on public code repos for my own career before,
I hope you don’t actually believe this. The entire Internet, and computing itself, is built on the foundation of open source. This is like saying “why do I gotta pay taxes” when you and everyone you’ve never met has relied on roads etc. And that’s just the basic example - the real importance of, say, public education, is that, while you personally may not have used it, many many many other people have - and their education has pushed the quality of your collegues higher - which pushes you to be better, either as competition or cooperation. This is the actually accurate meaning of “the rising tide raises all ships.”
Even if you’ve never used Linux, or any open source software at all, the rest of us have, and we’re pushing your job and your career to new heights.
I’ve never felt dependent on public code repos for my own career before, I hope you don’t actually believe this.
I think you misunderstood me. We all use open source software or develop using open source libraries, and in the context of the question, I don’t care where they host their code, as long as I can find it. But that isn’t what I was talking about. I have never felt like my career depended on me publicly hosting my own code. I have found jobs and connected with people through other means, and they haven’t even asked to see my github profile in any interviews I’ve been in.
which is why you should always open source your code unless there’s a specific reason not to. If you’ve ever made something that works, then your cube would be useful.
Sure, I have a Python script running on a Raspberry Pi controlling my garage door opener. You want it, I’ll show it to you. I believe in open source software, but I’m not going out of my way to publicly host (and document, yuck!) every little thing I’ve made for myself, especially when they have often been tailor made for my home environment, or hacked together in 15 minutes and riddled with secrets.
But my main reason is simply privacy. I don’t want to broadcast to the Internet what project I am working on right now, or reveal the architecture of my home network or smart home setup. There’s a lot you reveal about yourself when you show the world what you are doing, and I would prefer not to do that.
Is everyone running their own open source project?
Essentially, I suppose. I put most of my personal projects on GitHub because a) I believe in the open-source philosophy generally and b) sometimes they are helpful to others! For example, because I put SmilApple on GitHub, someone was able to adapt it to make this. And besides, it’s a great way to distribute programs that you want other people to use, like my current project Chokistream, or when I made a fan-translation of a game. None of these are “serious” projects like a new framework or something, and all of them have very limited audiences, but if I’m coding them, I might as well publish them where someone else might be able to benefit from them. I also don’t feel like they’re important for my career, but they’re important for their own sake and I would care if I lost them.
The right mood and a bit of free time to start the process. I’m already planning to go Codeberg or some other Gitea instance.
I already switched to Gitlab when Microsoft bought GH out. Been using it for years and have never had an issue
Same. Our whole team switched to gitlab. The whole point of git is that it’s distributed. We could host it ourselves over ssh if gitlab became a problem.
People didn’t move when it became a social network, when Microsoft bought it, or when their IA scanned the whole code to make money from open-source projects. Only Musk buying it would change that a bit, but it still wouldn’t not destroy it.
As for me, I don’t have an account. My personal projects stay private, and for work I have pro accounts at GitLab or Azure DevOps.
Do you contribute to opensource?
Yes but not through GitHub.
If the social features become too egregious. It’s already turning into borderline LinkedIn with their new feed updates
Have you seen all the people just stuffing their profile README full of random graphics and stats and badges
I’ll admit I have a badge there myself to highlight the languages I work on. But some people are sure driving it beyond
I also think the addition of the achievement badges was a mistake, a coding platform doesn’t need this kind of gamification
I’ve been using GitLab for years. I have a GitHub account but at this point I only use it to contribute to other projects.
The only reason I would switch is if the projects I contribute too would switch. I personally don’t care.
Them shutting down.
I have a couple netdevops Ansible projects there but I would not want to dilute the openAI scalping with my shitty playbooks. Not sure if the scalp private repos though.
I’m not in charge of many open source projects but the last one I actually put up on gitlab instead. We use gitlab at internally at work and it’s completely fine. I mostly use my github account to interact with repos that other people host on github.
All it took for me to switch to GitLab was a larger free lfs quota which I wanted for a project. The superior webpage UI made me migrate every old project to it too.
I use GitHub and GitLab about 50/50, but I’d use nothing but GitLab if forking and pull requests across platforms was near seamless.
it’s free and convenient? if there was another reliable, free git host with a polished web interface and decent cli for features like issues, sure, I’d consider moving to it. I’m not in the market though, I have other work to do
also the git actions workflows are brilliant.
theKalash@feddit.ch 8 months ago
Elon Musk buying it.
Seriously though, it would take something rather drastic. Our company briefly tried using bitbucket, but it was just worse overall. Don’t touch a running system.
lysdexic@programming.dev 8 months ago
Holy hell, you went for the jugular.
theKalash@feddit.ch 8 months ago
The guy owning the Xhub.com domain is rubbing his hands right now.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What’s the problem with bitbucket? It’s a solid… oh shit sorry atlassian is down. One moment.
abhibeckert@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I haven’t had reliability issues with BitBucket. My main complaint is it’s just really difficult to use.
There are common tasks that are awkward in BitBucket. For example comparing branches/tags to each other… in GitHub there will often be a quick link you can just click to compare whatever it is you’re looking at to whatever you’re likely to want to compare it to (if you’re following standard branching models).
With BitBucket you don’t get any little conveniences like that - it’s like they took git, which is already complex, and added an even more complex GUI wrapper around it.
tun@lemm.ee 8 months ago
My one-man software development company is using bitbucket along with a local mirror (with Gitea).
Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
People also said that when Microsoft bought them. In the end it didn’t really make a dent in their user numbers