Its sad. I LOVE the concept of smart devices, the fact that you can do things so much more conveniently with little interaction. They can absolutely be done without being privacy nightmares, but apparently companies are not interested in that.
Carmakers are failing the privacy test. Owners have little to no control of the data they hand over
Submitted 1 year ago by DoctorTYVM@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
And apparently neither are consumers
BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 1 year ago
I don't care about my data. I have nothing to hide. Haha they can have my data if they want.
Literally everyone i know
gnutrino@programming.dev 1 year ago
In the case of cars there isn’t really an alternative. The study the article cites looked at a bunch of different manufacturers and found the all sucked for privacy.
iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Vote with ya moolahhh
nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 1 year ago
Same. I’ve been slowly adding more and more smart devices to my Home Assistant instance and seeing it all interact is super neat. That said, the search for products that work 100% local and don’t depend on the cloud is a total pain, outside of some products using the Zigbee standard and such.
GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Zigbee and z-wave is the way to go, yeah. They work completely local and disconnected from the internet.
qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I post this a second time because this post is more active. What can we do to stop the transfer of data? Can we disconnect the antenna/modem that connects the cars to the Internet?
lilShalom@lemmy.basedcount.com 1 year ago
Dont buy the car.
gnutrino@programming.dev 1 year ago
Thanks for the advice, I’ll just walk 26 miles to work each day I guess…
MataVatnik@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That would’ve been possible when consumers had a choice but now it’s too late.
Auli@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I know my vehicle has a fuse to pull to disconnect the modem.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This has been one of the major reasons I have no desire to buy a new car. I do not want a $30k IoT device that spies on me. Unfortunately, that is pretty much the norm now.
If/when I am forced to buy another, I’ll be looking hard into which ones are the easiest to rip the modem out of. Can’t be an IoT spying device without the internet.
cloud@lazysoci.al 1 year ago
I’m reposting this in every thread so anyone can see:
www.nissanusa.com/privacy.html
Sensitive personal information, including driver’s license number, national or state identification number, citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information.
YourBrainOnScience@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not sure why Nissan needs my sexual activity data but I can maliciously comply and make them regret asking for it.
MataVatnik@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Keep sending images of goatse. But seriously speaking, it’s probably not humans that are collating and sifting the data. It’s all being fed to an algorithm.
Nightwind@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wtf. Genetic information. So they can take your DNA after bringing your car in for service and sell it?
ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You joke, but I could see some bean counting fuck being all over that business idea
PoorlyWrittenPapyrus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
sexual activity
What the fuck?
Zima@kbin.social 1 year ago
What how where and when
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Yes, exactly
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
This is why GM is looking to remove android auto and Apple CarPlay. No mediator between them and your data
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Sure there is its called a screwdriver and it goes directly through the computer!
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 1 year ago
Lol no. They want to remove easy access to digital services so they can charge for their own.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Right. That too
scottmeme@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Can’t really go into depth, but I worked for a major automaker, privacy is a joke for newer cars even if you don’t pay for the Internet plans.
pyr0ball@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Is there anything a mildly competent electronics enthusiast could do to disable any outbound data?
scottmeme@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Unfortunately not for the company I worked for, all I will say is it was one of the top 5 automakers in the world.
I assume the others were also doing similar things in their cars.
Dasnap@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are dumb cars still manufactured? I don’t drive so I have no clue what the market’s like.
30mag@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nissan also said it collected information on “sexual activity.” It didn’t explain how.
Nissan doesn’t provide a detailed explanation of how the data is collected, but they say that the source they collect the data is “Direct contact with users and Nissan employees,” Whatever that means.
Intralexical@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nissan also said it collected information on “sexual activity.” It didn’t explain how.
Nissan doesn’t provide a detailed explanation of how the data is collected, but they say that the source they collect the data is “Direct contact with users and Nissan employees,” Whatever that means.
Based on this information, I can only infer that the Nissan sales handbook has a section on using seduction for particularly difficult and/or hot potential customers.
…I used to work at a pizza shop. Oh, so that’s why we got so many orders from the local Nissan dealership!
bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
If you suck your salesman off to get a better deal, daddy Nissan knows 😏
itsJoelle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Holy god. I’m not letting go of my '09 carolla and ebike. What the fuck.
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 1 year ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But drivers are given little or no control over the personal data their vehicles collect, researchers for the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation said Wednesday in their latest “Privacy Not Included” survey Security standards are also vague, a big concern given automakers’ track record of susceptibility to hacking.
Cars scored worst for privacy among more than a dozen product categories – including fitness trackers, reproductive-health apps, smart speakers and other connected home appliances – that Mozilla has studied since 2017.
The absence of such a law lets connected devices and smartphones amass data for tailored ad targeting and other marketing – while also raising the odds of massive information theft through cybersecurity breaches.
Japan-based Nissan astounded researchers with the level of honesty and detailed breakdowns of data collection its privacy notice provides, a stark contrast with Big Tech companies such as Facebook or Google.
Further, Nissan says it can share “inferences” drawn from the data to create profiles “reflecting the consumer’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behaviour, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes.”
If an owner opts out of data collection, Tesla’s privacy notice says the company may not be able to notify drivers “in real time” of issues that could result in “reduced functionality, serious damage, or inoperability.”
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traveler@lemdro.id 1 year ago
In fairness most of them have really shit software…
conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 year ago
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 1 year ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But drivers are given little or no control over the personal data their vehicles collect, researchers for the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation said Wednesday in their latest “Privacy Not Included” survey Security standards are also vague, a big concern given automakers’ track record of susceptibility to hacking.
Cars scored worst for privacy among more than a dozen product categories – including fitness trackers, reproductive-health apps, smart speakers and other connected home appliances – that Mozilla has studied since 2017.
The absence of such a law lets connected devices and smartphones amass data for tailored ad targeting and other marketing – while also raising the odds of massive information theft through cybersecurity breaches.
Japan-based Nissan astounded researchers with the level of honesty and detailed breakdowns of data collection its privacy notice provides, a stark contrast with Big Tech companies such as Facebook or Google.
Further, Nissan says it can share “inferences” drawn from the data to create profiles “reflecting the consumer’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behaviour, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes.”
If an owner opts out of data collection, Tesla’s privacy notice says the company may not be able to notify drivers “in real time” of issues that could result in “reduced functionality, serious damage, or inoperability.”
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BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 1 year ago
slaps the hood of my 03 Acura shitbox type S
Yep, she’s a keeper.
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah I plan to drive my Corolla shitbox into the ground. The only problem with my plan is that the earth will only be around for a few hundred million years, and Corollas will last until the heat death of the universe.