Comment on Carmakers are failing the privacy test. Owners have little to no control of the data they hand over

• NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You’re missing the larger point. You dont have to have anything to hide for it to be an issue. They can now blackmail you for things they know about you, track you, use targeted advertising, listen in on your conversations. Hell, if there was a need to make you look guilty of a crime, with all the data on you, it wouldn’t be that difficult to do.

  Doesn’t even get into the issues of fighting back against oppressive government, which isnmuch more difficult to do if they’re constantly spying on you.

  But, you’re right, nothing to hide, so it’s not a big deal I guess.

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  • teruma@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think the post you replied to was sarcasm.

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  • Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    • Blackmail: This is a case where “I have nothing to hide” actually makes a big difference. Unless you are particularly well off and have significant skeletons, you just aren’t important enough to even try to blackmail. And if you ARE important enough to blackmail? Slim jim and a recorder in the pocket on the back of your seat.
    • Track you: You also have a phone. And more and more traffic lights and street corners have cameras on them
    • Targeted advertising: This is already happening in every facet of life. Also, truth be told, if I have to see ads I would prefer they be for things I care about
    • Listen in on your conversations: See “Blackmail”.
    • Frame you for a crime: Again, do you matter enough to target?
    • Fighting back against the government: Again, the vast majority of global north countries are becoming, or have already become, surveillance states. Not having a camera in your car doesn’t matter much if they have a camera on every street you ever drive down

    I am a strong advocate for privacy, when it matters. Because most people base their knowledge off of vague recollections of Sandy Bullock’s movie or an episode of Futurama. And while it is good to be wary, it is also good to actually understand what you can and can’t do. Focus your energy on the things that matter. And, more importantly, understand that the moment you “fight back against the government” you need to change just about every aspect of your life. Like, there is a reason good journalists learn to have separate devices that are never powered on anywhere near their personal devices.

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    • demlet@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Also, as long as people perceive it as a net benefit they’ll put up with all kinds of privacy invasions. Being part of a society is always a tradeoff of certain liberties for certain securities.

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    • Demuniac@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Just you wait until insurance companies start charging you extra because you go to McDonalds once a month, or because you drive 5 miles over the speed limit sometimes. Or your ex wants revenge and pays someone on the dark web to get dirt on you so you lose custody of your kid. So much stuff can go wrong, and we shouldn’t take it lightly.

      If you think you have nothing to hide, you’re not using your imagination enough.

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    • HidingCat@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This place (the fediverse) is a circle-jerk of FOSS and paranoid privacy nuts: This comment has been a sane reference point.

      I feel like one of the issues is that there's just no good regulations on data. I don't mind the ideals behind some of the things that are happening (better ads for Internet tracking, better designs from data derived from the telemetry in cars), but much of this doesn't have the same kind of regulation compared to say, medical data, which makes trusting these companies with the data very hard.

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    • tim-clark@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Finally a coherent comment on privacy!!!

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• Wahots@pawb.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Then they act all butthurt when they get debt collectors harassing them on social media, or repos using location data to repo a car with missed payments, lol. All the J6 people are a great example of people fucking around with tech and committing crimes, then finding out belatedly :)

  There’s lots of good, non-crime reasons why you might wanna protect your personal data, so you don’t get your identity stolen, your wife thrown in jail for an accidental pregnancy, or being any flavor of queer in a regressive state.

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