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TikTok's 'Addictive Design' Found to Be Illegal in Europe
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Beep@lemmus.org to technology@lemmy.world
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1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Welcome to my life since forever -An ADHD person lol
mrdown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lemmy has infinite scrolling too so if lemmy get big it will have the same legal issue
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This includes features such as infinite scroll, autoplay, push notifications, and its highly personalised recommender system.
I don’t think Lemmy (or any text based platform) really fits the bill
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Lemmy has a ton of media tho, its not entirely text based.
mrdown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think the EU would ignore it if it was only infinite scroll
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
There’s a big difference between infinite scrolling content that’s using algorithms to specifically keep you scrolling and how Lemmy does it. On Lemmy that’s a you problem not a capitalism problem.
mrdown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is subjective. I personally spend more time on non algorithmic feed than algorithm one. It is boring to keep seeing the same time of content most of the time
paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nonsense.
5gruel@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well crafted counter argument
just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Not really, i have hit the limit 2 3 times. Maybe its a voyager feature but it definitely has a limit
sonofearth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It can be turned off
Oaksey@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not always infinite. If you set it to be the top posts for the last 12 hours for example, it isn’t that hard to get to the end, not like automatically chosen posts follow on or are inserted into that feed.
morto@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Just some guis/apps, and it’s mostly optional
paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Tech companies shouldn’t have these sorts of algorithmic profiles of people. It’s manipulation.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
great, do facebook products now.
b_tr3e@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Meta got sued and had to pay €1,500 per user in a ruling of a supreme state court which can’t be appealed. There’s a wave of lawsuits expected to follow because this actually means every Facebook user (for now, it might be possible that non-users whose data were also collected will sue, too) can easily sue now. I remember Meta boasting to have the data of some 10M Germans for targeted advertising. Unfortunately that’s hardly robust evidence but I hope they’ll sue them to hell and back.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
i keep hearing about these companies getting fined, yet here we still are.
ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And what about all their copycats? Like Instagram and YouTube that are trying to do the same thing?
morto@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
If this case gets a closure against tiktok, it will become a jurisprudence and will allow to do the same to them
ageedizzle@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
Loops too. It’s the fediverse version of TikTok. Would it also be illegal?
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bravo EU!!!
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Anything owned by that pos Zionist Larry Ellison should be illegal
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The big danger here, which these steps mitigate but do not solve are:
#1 Algorithmically curated content
There are systems of automated content moderation that are in place that remove or suppress content. Ostensibly for protecting users from viewing illegal or disturbing content. There are systems for recommending content to a user by using metrics for the content, metrics for the users combined with machine learning algorithm and other controls which create a system of controls to both restrict and promote content based on criteria set by the owner. We commonly call this, abstractly, ‘The Algorithm’ Meta has theirs, X has theirs, TikTok has theirs. Originally these were used to recommend ads and products but now they’ve discovered that selling political opinions for cash is a far more lucrative business. This change from advertiser to for-hire propagandist
The personal metrics that these systems use are made up of every bit of information that the company can extract out of you via your smartphone, linked identity, ad network data and other data brokers. The amount of data that is available on the average consumer is pretty comprehensive right down to knowing the user’s rough/exact location in real-time.
The Algorithm used by social media companies are a black box, so we don’t know how they are designed. Nor do we know how they are being used at any given moment. There are things that they are required to do (like block illegal content) but there are very little, if any, restrictions on what they can block or promote otherwise nor are there any reporting requirements for changes to these systems or restrictions on selling the use of The Algorithm for any reason whatsoever.
There have been many public examples of the owners of that box to restricting speech by de-prioritizing videos or restricting content containing specific terms in a way that imposes a specific viewpoint through manufactured consensus. We have no idea if this was done by accident (as claimed by the companies, when they operate too brazenly and are discovered), if it was done because the owner had a specific viewpoint or if the owner was paid to impose that viewpoint.
This means that our entire online public discourse is controllable. That means of control is essentially unregulated and is increasingly being used and sold for, what cannot be called anything but, propaganda.
#2 - There is no #2, the Algorithms are dangerous cyberweapons, their usage should be heavily regulated and incredible restrictions put on their use against people.
MrKoyun@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cool! No one’s surprised. Anyway. Nothing is gonna be done.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Add “YouTube Shorts” to the list, and fine them, too. They are doing the same, for the same reason.
atropa@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Nobody uses tiktok here , except apes in the zoo
breakingcups@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
8 don’t know where you live, but over here (European country) I can easily see 5 people on TikTok when I’m on the train.
atropa@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
About the same as your country, the UK, 38%. This is a skewed picture based on age. Popular with teenagers and single people, ages 24 to 36, to break the loneliness. I don’t know anyone in my environment who uses this, the same goes for my daughter
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Illegal, certainly. Are they going to do something about it, definitely not.
db2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Let me hold my breath waiting for something actually meaningful to be done about it, more than a “cost of doing business” protection payment.
daw@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
6% of worldwide revenue
db2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For ten years, and they can’t restructure it away.