This could be huge for vehicle design as a whole.
The rear wheel of the bike in the picture tells me all of this is completely fantasy.
Electric motorcycles with solid-state batteries seem to be coming soon.
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Dogiedog64@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
WanderWisley@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They have been trying to make the hubless wheel a futuristic thing for so long it’s technically retro now.
booly@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
The hubless wheel is on their current models. It’s basically their signature differentiator.
There’s reason to be skeptical of the company and its claims as a whole, but at least that particular feature has shipped and has been test driven by reviewers:
curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Well thanks for correcting me, that is wild. I can’t imagine it’s actually pragmatic.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
There is no advantage to a hubless wheel.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
What is the point in a $37,000 bike with SS battery and 600km of range. ICE bikes get about 200km a tank. No one rides 600km a day. If the point of SS batteries is fast charging , then why carry around 33 KWhr of overpriced battery?
This is a bike designed by non motorcyclists and marketed on numbers. 1000nm instant torque? That’s unrideable. 3.5 sec 0-60 is not fast for a motorcycle, so their math doesn’t even make sense. It’s just a bunch of numbers. 200kw charging? Who cares, and good like finding a charger that will do that.
Every premium price EV bike company has gone broke.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think the bike exists to sell the battery. I’m getting a strong feeling there is no intention for the bike to be profitable, but rather as a proof that what they’re selling works by showcasing a real-world model that people can buy and drive.
With their plans to out-scale Tesla in battery manufacturing, it seems to me that they’re hoping to capture deals with EV manufacturers.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Don’t worry, someone did the math in another thread here on Lemmy and said there’s no way it’ll ever do 600km. Would pretty much have to have better energy density batteries than petrol. Not a thing with current technology. 200km is more likely.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Your points are valid but those chargers are very common, probbaly the most common where I am. There are 400kw chargers cropping up too.
Also I would hope that the range is so high to allow for the inevitable failure to achieve the stated range.
But yeah everything else is laugh worthy
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Turn something this into a moderately off road capable adventure bike and I’m sold. The BMW and KTM guys will absolutely pay $20,000 for it, albeit maybe not $37,000.
My KLR has about 200 miles of range per fill, if you’re even the slightest bit careful with it, which is necessary for excursions out into the bush where there are neither gas stations nor charging points.
thejml@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Anyone have a non-video summary/article?
rumba@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
Pulled the CC data from downsub, asked AI to summarize, then reviewed the CC to make sure it was accurate.
It’s mostly fluff centered around data about a couple of new packs and claimed ranges.
20 kWh Pack
- Range: 350 km
- Charging power: Up to 100 kW
- Adds 200 km of range in 10 minutes
30 kWh Solid‑State Pack
- Range: 600 km on a single charge
- Charging power: Up to 200 kW
- Adds 300 km of range in under 10 minutes
Claims to be largest motorcycle battery of its kind
SO they’re decently large, can charge quickly, I’d be a bit surprised if they were getting those actual ranges in real-world scenarios.
PoorYorick@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They are also 38,000 euro for the base model bike.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 weeks ago
But do they make loud wroom wroom noises? If not half of motorcyclists will not be interested.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ll sell an add on speaker. Loud pipes save lives.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 weeks ago
That would be nice. People could turn them off at 2AM in the morning when there’s no one else on the roads. But I’m sure they wouldn’t.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But there is something in that to be fair, it is a lifestyle, culture and hobby. I thought the livewire looked cool but I would say its novelty, I wouod find it difficult to see them as equals.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I’ll belive it when a lab has verified the batteries are actually solid state. The CEO appears to be a grifter and they had no battery prototypes on hand at CES? Smells awfully like a scam.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Doesn’t need both fast charging and huge range. Knock $10k off the price for half the range is a much more appealing product. Battery tech in a much lighter sub 2000w ebike/powerstation is a much bigger win, as this is still 600lbs afaiu.
fubarx@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bikes are not a good investment in western countries with long winter seasons, it’s dangerous and uncomfortable to ride in cold conditions, so stuff like this is purely for rich people to use as recreational toys in the summer
Joelk111@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
TIL I’m rich because I own a $2000 motorcycle, and that it’s only a toy for use in the summer. I can’t believe that someone just mansplained riding motorcycles in poor weather. Rain gear and insulated clothing has existed for a long time.
Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Plus heated gear and equipment exist. You can absolutely ride a motorcycle in Winter, it just kinda sucks.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So, you don’t live where frosted pavement and black ice are a thing? And temperatures seldom dip below freezing.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And how many other bikers do you see around you when you ride, 1 or 2 maybe, it’s a niche hobby not a means of daily transportation for most, go visit any Asian country to see what using bikes as a daily transportation looks like, the streets are chock full of bikers and it’s a mix of men and women, young and old
Late-Boomer-57@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
Arwe there any non-"solid state” battery for motorcycles? What is the generation principle?
robolemmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
In the context of lithium-ion batteries, “solid state” means that there’s no liquid electrolyte, rather than meaning there are no moving parts.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I doubt these are actually solid state, more likely hybrid solid state.
rumba@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
https://www.flashbattery.tech/en/blog/how-solid-state-batteries-work/
I think their naming leaves a lot to be desired :)
sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sick
realitista@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
yourNewFavouriteUser@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
are solid state batteries even ready for mass production yet ?
Zexks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
GAC and Dongfeng are already making them.
goatinspace@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Sounds good. Does it actually work in real world?
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I think it’s irresponsible of the Verge to tout an electric motorcycle’s range as “up to 600km”. It’s absolute fantasy.
I have an electric dirtbike and a gas bike. My gas bike has an 11.1 L tank and can go about 360km per tank.
The highest actual range I’ve seen on an electric motorcycle is about 100km of mixed use (highway and city).
Solid state batteries have the potential capability of having almost double the power density as lithium ion. So approx 200-300km (maybe).
Pretty solid but doubling THAT is just dishonest and in no way going to happen. You’re claiming to have more power density than internal combustion. That’s just straight up dishonest.
artyom@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
It’s not The Verge. It’s Verge motorcycles. I know, it confused me too.
dublet@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Reached 310.69km with 7% charge on the 20.2kWh battery remaining during a challenge in London.
motorcyclenews.com/…/verge-electric-bike-distance…
It took 16 hours though, so that works out to around 19km/h or 12mph. 🐌
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Yes so even gaming this by driving very slowly, the range isn’t even close
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
that was an older model though.
realitista@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
It probably won’t do that in anything less than perfect conditions, but it will still be far more than any other bike on the road today. It is probably 3x that of Lithium Ion already. It’s roughly double that of usual NMC batteries, and still a good 50% better than the absolute best NMC. Combine that with no range degradation when consistently charging to 100% and discharging to 0%, no loss of capacity in hot or cold weather, and something like 20x the charge cycles of NMC/LiFePO4, and over the lifetime you will likely start seeing 4 or 5 times the capacity in later stages of vehicle ownerships
bufalo1973@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
It’s 600 km (in ideal conditions) <- this is the part they don’t say.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It doesn’t matter. It’s a lie. Ideal conditions and driving the bike at 19km/h achieves that. How many people are going to be driving a top speed of 19km/h on a bike? Their stats are physically impossible given the hardware they’re stating and are relying on people with little knowledge of real world range on electric motorcycles or charge density of solid state vs lion
Schmuppes@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Ideal, as in “100 mph tail wind all the way”.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Every manufacturer says your mileage may vary.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
“up to” is dishonest to start. They claim on some of their models 600+ km range. It is city mileage though. Solid state batteries claim 400wh/kg, and may be replacing 180wh/kg batteries. That can mean more than 2.5x range city due to reduced weight. The highway mileage is much lower though.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It’s a 33 kwhr battery, cars with that amount of storage get 250km.