Submitted 1 day ago by nfreak@lemmy.ml to selfhosted@lemmy.world
https://blog.nfreak.tv/music-stack/
Full disclosure, I’m pretty new to selfhosting myself, and I haven’t written a guide like this before, but hopefully this scatterbrained writeup is enough for someone out there lmao
This is just what works for me and how I set it up. Always open to ideas for improvement as well.
Bit off topic, but I noticed this post has quite more comments than on reddit (currently 59 to 38) and more votes as well. /r/selfhosted is quite crowded usually, kinda impressive there’s more discussion happening here.
Yesterday I got into a “funny image” post showing someone who couldn’t use the correct date format online and quickly found a comment, with tailors, about the most efficient way of searching through a date-time format. I stopped and just thought that was the most "Reddit"moment I’ve had so far here and it felt nice
Is symfonium foss? Been looking for a good navifrome frontend for android.
It is not free or open source but is software. FWIW I use it and like it. It’s a one time fee and not a subscription service. The fee is under 10 USD. The program requires minimal permissions and doesn’t even ask for (I.e. opt-in) for much more than it really needs to run. I find it relatively intuitive and it works with android auto which is something I really want in a media player/library at the moment.
Thank you for writing and making content.
In this era, I feel like I’m in the Good Place: it’s impossible to make “good” ethical choices while engaging with modern world. Every day, some platform or artist is found supporting blood money, genocide, unfair labor, treats other artist/collaborators like shit, exploitation… Then we all have to pivot to some obscure alternative with its own issues, lest we be immoral internet users.
I’m so tired of all this shit… /rant
Y e p. It’s a nightmare tbh
i just want a place i can hang out with real people without corporations mediating it.
seems like i found it for now.
The only way to be a truly moral person on this planet is to not participate in society and go completely 100% off grid. Even then the Good Place did a great episode on that, and they’re right, you’re not really living then either. It’s all just about what you’re willing to put up with
You have to draw your own lines. For me I dont focus on all the bad choices, I pick something im interested in and then look at the options and try pick the choice I like the most. One thing at a time and before you know it you’ve made major choices in several areas of daily life.
My hangup with self-hosting is due to the fact that I have a family for whom managing their entire library would be a full-time job. It’s unfortunately worth the $15/month for me to not have to constantly take requests for new music, add that to the server, troubleshoot when things don’t work, etc.
“Replacing TV and movie streaming services is pretty trivial, and typically one of the first projects for any new self-hoster, but music streaming services are a whole different beast.”
both cases you just gather up media files, and you play them. follow me instead for more life hacks.
I agree, but only up to a point. If you like to discover loads of music because you listen to tracks all day at work for example (which can make you get bored of tracks/albums quickly when you play them a hundred times in one day), its much harder to do so when you have to use a different service for recommendations & listening.
Not so much that I haven’t done that myself, but it is more time consuming.
(Speaking from experience)
It would be cool if there was open source software to link your library to your friends so you would still get new things you didn’t have coming into your list.
It could probably even use one of these fun new protocols too!
Very wrong
Should put a note on your blog that Lidarr’s Metadata database is being rebuilt, currently the Lidarr APi spits a bunch of 5xx errors when searching for artists/albums/etc.
github.com/Lidarr/Lidarr/issues/5498
Help the Lidarr team rebuild the Database by running this application:
github.com/DeviantEng/lidarr-cache-warmer
It’ll search every artist in your library so that the new database has a cache to quickly call upon.
I think I made a note about that, but you’re right I should make it more apparent. I did use the blampe/hearring-aid build here which solves the issue for the short term, but I’ll add a clearer note to futureproof it for when the main builds are fixed.
Yeah and it’s been proper fucked for months. I set up anew server on my Mac mini M4 months ago and every now and then I spin up lidarr again to see if it is fixed and nope, won’t recognise a single album in my entire collection and can’t even manually add an artist.
Headphones is pretty terrible and slow, but it has the benefit of working.
On bandcamp Friday in 2 days I am going to buy a whole bunch of music to have locally and there are some artists which are not on bandcamp that I still want to have, I know I can buy their CDs or records and save them as files myself but I’d rather just buy and download a high quality digital version and not all of them have digital copies available to download fr the artists…so does anyone have any recommendations for website to buy digital music from that just have a lot of different artists regardless of where they are on platforms?
I’ve been working on the same and ran into the same issue. If not Bandcamp, I’ve had success on Qobuz. Their streaming payments to artists, last I checked, is substantially higher than anywhere else I’ve looked. I’m hoping the same is true of their music sales but I’m sure half of that is dependent on the labels, which likely have something to do with their not being on Bandcamp… or maybe that’s just my cynicism. I know little about how things work in the industry I just want to pay artists for their amazing work.
Bandcamp is where I do most of my shopping. Not sure where you are located. In Europe, for alternatives I use Qobuz and have used Bleep.
I tend to use it for more “commercial” albums.
I really need to get into a better habit of waiting for their friday events lmao, but yeah that’s where I get most of mine from as well. Otherwise, sometimes a physical record comes with a download slip or w/e, or I’ll just go find a download for something I already physically own. But for purchasing digital, Bandcamp is king right now, and I’m definitely interested in other options that are out there too.
This is a dumb question but I’ve really wanted to use Pangolin and I have trouble finding it clearly explained whether or not it works, with authentication, for applications that are not browser based. For example, if I wanted to connect to my self hosted home git server from VSC via ssh would that be possible through Pangolin? Obviously I could use it to log in to the web interface but what about apps/applications that I need to punch into my home network? The authentication is browser-based so in my mind it would not.
This is a bit over my own head as I’ve only been dabbling with it recently, but so far from what I’ve found that seems to be the case.
You can get creative with the Rules, but that’s always accepting a level of risk. Like to get Beszel and Komodo Periphery working on my VPS, I technically expose some services, but I keep Pangolin’s auth enabled and use the rules to restrict it to certain paths and only my own public IP (1. Allow: my IP, 2. Always deny 0.0.0.0/0).
I see nobody mentioning airsonic, the open source fork of subsonic. I tried navidrome but there you can’t browse through folders or start a ‘radio mode’ (i.e. play related stuff in your library).
Another problem I found with navidrome are duplicate files in your library: since it is not folder but tag based, you’ll end up with every track double, and there is no nice quick way to just play an album each track played once.
Is there a reason why people prefer navidrome over airsonic? Since I switched I feel so much more in control what I want to play.
I know the self hosted communities are very pro open source, with which I largely agree, but PlexAmp is such a good player it makes sense to at least try it.
Annoyance: Can’t scan your music library from the PlexAmp app, can’t scan it from the Plex app either. Super frustrating when music as added and you have to struggle with pop-up navigation on the Plex desktop site on mobile.
Game breaker: maybe it’s just really hard to find and undocumented, but there doesn’t seem to be a way to use profiles with PlexAmp, either to have individual play history and playlists, or to age restrict some music content.
Dunno about plexamp, but Plex has an auto-scan built in. Its disabled by default, but works like a charm. It listens for new file events and general finds things before you complete a download or copy
There defiantly can be profiles. You can either create fully new users (with their own logins, etc) or home users. Assign them restrictions as necessary. Of course this is all done in the plex web app, but user switching is done easy in PlexAmp.
I already use Navidrome, but I discovered Explo through your post, so thanks! It seems to work well in that it brings in the tracks that it should, but I don’t think I can keep using it because it pollutes my ‘Recently Added’ list in Navidrome with 50 new albums, each with a single track. If I could somehow prevent that, I think I’d keep using it. I tried using an .ndignore file but that didn’t work - it stops the showing up in Recents, but also prevents the tracks from working in the playlist.
Love my Navidrome server, though I use Substreamer on Android since it’s “free” and free.
This is a nice resource. For someone like me this would be a big project. I’m curious, it sounds like a lot of moving parts. Assuming it was running ok and I didn’t really touch it for two years, five years; what is the likelihood it would still be working?
Didnt touch Jellyfin for ~2 years (except tweaking hardware acceleration) besides updating it.
Worked fine for me.
At worst you will get security problems from unpatched bugs or loose compatibility from external services, e.g. the musicbrainz API connection in lidarr.
Interested as well. I want to get into this as I just cancelled my Spotify subscription but I’m a bit overwhelmed by the process
Fantastsic post!
FWIW I suspect Jellyfin is the better choice for libraries with both music and movies. That said, we live in a world where multiple FOSS options exist to serve these roles. That should be appreciated and noticed by waaaay more people.
all the jellyfin music clients have weird glitches with band names and metadata. this has been with almost every (android) jellyfin client on 3 different Jellyfin servers over the years
i was almost completely sold on Jellyfin being my music server but it wasn’t quite ready for me, or possibly there is something about my library it doesn’t like.
I’ve never had an issue, hm.
What?
Just have your files properly tagged by picard/lidarr.
Improper tags = Weird behaviour you caused.
i‘ve first used jellyfin for movies and series for a while and then decided i also wanted to add music streaming to my nas, so i put it into jellyfin. there were a couple of things that bugged me though, and so i also installed navidrome. jellyfin and navidrome have access to the same directory with all the music i own, and i have both finamp as well as amperfy on my iphone, and i really quite prefer navidrome with amperfy. so i would say that if you already got jellyfin for movies/ series and you don’t need a lot for a music streaming platform, it’s perfectly fine. however, if you need some more music streaming specific stuff, like a nice workflow for creating playlists, you may prefer to add navidrome.
Jellyfin sucks for music. I tried it several times, hoping it got better, but unfortunately it’s not the case. For the moment I’m still using Navidrome (which I used for the last 3-4 years without problems).
To each their own I guess (which is the point after all :) ). I’ve never had an issue with Jellyfin for music in the few years I’ve used it. All setups are different though.
This setup is very similar to mine
Might be worse than Spotify when it comes to privacy but YT Music with Adblock is great.
So the first sentence is TV and movie streaming replacement is trivial… Can you elaborate for someone who still uses the pirate bay for movies?
I would imagine they mean something like jellyfin/plex, which don’t necessarily get you away from torrents. Unless you want to go the slightly more legal route of ripping DVDs and Blu-rays and re-encoding everything for yourself. I say “slightly more legal” because while you are legally allowed a backup or archival copy of your own media (in the US), you still usually have to violate the DMCA to break encryption so you can rip your archival copy.
Don’t forget the Arr stack.
Yup, been porting all my music to navidrome the past few months and it’s pretty sweet. I like that there are native subsonic apps for most platforms (using tempo on android at the moment) and that navidrome also comes with its own web player to use on the fly.
Image
Although my setup is much more simple, just using samba to get files to it and mp3tag to prepare the files if needed.
I use a Navidrome server and ProjectBlue app on my Android. I haven’t figured out how to download music for offline use by using my ProjectBlue app though.
Thanks for putting this together! This is an excellent write up and is super informative! I’m already using Navidrome + Tempo with Lidarr for my music library, but since the database issues with Lidarr popped up a few months ago I haven’t bothered adding new stuff.
I had no idea Explo was a thing, it’s just what I’ve been hoping existed. I’m going to try and get it integrated into my set up.
this is incredible! petty much exactly what i did for myself, minus the *arr part (yet)
also i am dabbling with tempo, and it’s been forked with active development!
Soon 🏴☠️
Question: did you consider Funkwhale , and if so why did you choose this other stack instead?
Funkwhale is fucking awful. It’s awful to setup, it’s awful on resource usage, it’s awful to manage with multiple users who may share libraries.
I’m not sure how they could fix it without a rewrite.
TBH I chose Funkwhale for my solution because it looked easy and out of the box, I just add a single Docker and subdomain to my existing site.
It wound up being more or less what you describe.
I may well follow OP's guide and nuke my Funkwhale despite the work I put into it and the fact that it does basically work for its intended purpose
Spotify has a feature where if it is playing on another device, you can control it with any other device logged into the account, is there any good way to replicate this with a linux desktop and an android phone?
If your use case is only desktop and phone, KDE Connect can do it independently from your music service. Works in both directions as well.
interesting, thank you.
That’s something I’ve struggled to find so far unfortunately. Maybe something exists but I haven’t found an answer yet.
It really is spotify’s killer feature for me, probably won’t switch to something that doesn’t have it.
Jellyfin has a remote control feature that lets you do something like this, I use it quite a lot for music.
That whole Spotify Connect feature and Sonos support is what keeps me in the ecosystem, unfortunately…
I've honestly never understood people who feel the need to "replace" Spotify. I just download the music I like to my device and listen to it via VLC. If I want to discover new music in genres I like, I'll go and listen either to a terrestrial radio station, Soma.FM, or Pandora (which has many of Spotify's issues for me, but serves more as a platform for discovery of obscure music). The rare times I listen to music, I'm usually going somewhere on mass transit, or I'm on foot. And during those times, my phone is either fully turned off (so I'll use an MP3 player), or it's in Airplane Mode. Spotify has never made sense for my use-case.
I’ve honestly never understood people who feel the need to “replace” Spotify. … Spotify has never made sense for my use-case.
I don’t know how to say this, but…you have extremely uncommon use-cases:
…during those times, my phone is either fully turned off (so I’ll use an MP3 player), or it’s in Airplane Mode.
Many people listen to music on stereos and don’t necessarily want a device plugged in, so
I just download the music I like to my device and listen to it via VLC.
either doesn’t work or is substantially less convenient than e.g. casting from a phone.
Not hating on your setup at all, but it’s very niche, in my experience.
Fair enough. My whole life has basically been defined as "very niche" since about 2012. But then again, I basically only use music to shut out the world. And yes, I said use, not enjoy. It's basically a source of predictable noise that acts as a filter to the more random noise around me so I don't have more issues than usual.
I’ve tried to get away from Spotify for years and the reality is the competition still sucks. I still have Tidal and YT music subscriptions but 90% of my music is on Spotify. I don’t know why is it so hard to match this.
If you use Plex it’s an absolute cinch to host your own music. Even if you don’t use Plex already it takes 5 mins to setup and you’re streaming your music to your hearts content.
And where do I get the music? Every time I want to listen to something I’m spending 20 minutes searching for it on some forsaken pirate websites? I’m way too old and not poor enough for this.
What am I missing? Whats wrong with Spotify?
Anyone have suggestions for an iOS media player I can connect to a setup like this?
Your blog is really pretty!
I need this i’ve been struggling to replace spotify.
Was just thinking about doing this over the weekend cuz youtube music’s offline functionality seems to have gone down drastically.
koncertejo@lemmy.ml 3 hours ago
I wrote something similar about returning to traditional music formats on my own blog audiovalentine.com/…/death-to-spotify-a-survey-of…