“Multi modal”
Will it finally be possible to be productive with more that 3 windows open?
Microsoft's Windows lead says the next version of Windows will be "more ambient, pervasive, and multi-modal" as AI redefines the desktop interface
Submitted 3 weeks ago by mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world
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Bogasse@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No, it means it can function as an OS, a spyware library and a targeted advertising vector.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
What’s your gripe with more than three windows?
Window management is usually not a complaint of Windows…
Bogasse@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I see three ways of switching windows on windows :
- Clicking on the taskbar, but its quite slow because it relies entirely on mouse control
- Using alt+tab, this is super efficient when you have at most 4 windows open, then you often have to scroll through the whole list and concentrate to not miss your window
- Using the task view : this should be the modern way, the trackpads shortcut is super intuitive, it works well with many windows and is well integrated with virtual desktops. But it seems completely unfinished : it’s super laggy, very buggy (animations often freeze leaving some windows impossible to select) the taskbar blinks for no reason 🤷
But again, I think I’ve been spoiled by Linux. Many desktop environments integrates virtual screen so well that you can easily switch between apps in less than 200ms, which is a big deal : if you look at two apps it’s almost more convenient than moving your sight from one screen to another (for example copying some data, or monitoring some progress)
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
yay marketing words!
This means you can expect Windows to get, “verbose, invasive, and difficult-to-use”
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
pervasive
What? Why would anyone want this?
blargh513@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
That was my first thought, like what the fuck, I don’t want my OS creeping on all my shit.
It won’t matter, they will serve slop and most people will happily eat it.
A lack of even basic technology literacy hurts everyone so much. Most people have zero clue how their stuff works and zero interest to learn. Its easy to manipulate an ignorant population as we see again and again.
My favorite simple example is “do you shit with the door open? No? OK then privacy does have value–for all involved.”
vithigar@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Compute will become pervasive, as in Windows experiences are going to use a combination of capabilities that are local and that are in the cloud.
…what does Davuluri think “pervasive” means?
zqps@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Apparently “invasive but like, when it’s a good thing”.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You get to mine crypto for microsoft?
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
What does he think “compute” means?
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Am I missing something here? The quotes from said lead don‘t mention „the next Windows“ anywhere. He‘s just thinking out loud about what he thinks working on a computer will be like 5 years from now. This is click bait and I wouldn‘t be surprised if they quietly change the title later on after they farmed enough clicks. Awful.
Lazer365@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
I hope one day my kids will come to me and ask me: “Windows? What is that?”
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Thanks, I hate it!
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Hey Microsoft, remember when you made the start menu bigger in win 8 and everyone hated it? Good luck changing everything about the UI. I’m sure it’ll be super popular this time.
mysticmartz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m sureAI will hit Linux one day . A lot of the toolset for building LLM’s works out of the box. I’ve used Linux for years.
I suspect if AI gets to distros your have 3 sorts of people :
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Privacy aware and dislike the idea entirely
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Those that embrace it but only with open weight open source models.
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Those that use any AI models as long as it’s not too invasive .
I’m probably a solid 1.5
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Hey, leave sureAI out of it! They made the best total conversion mods for Oblivion and Skyrim back in the day! :3
(Nehrim and Enderal, for anyone curious. Although Nehrim is quite janky (as is tradition for games/mods from Germany haha))
Toes@ani.social 3 weeks ago
Red hat 10 has an ai assistant for configuring it.
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ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I bet the computer won’t function (or at least not properly) without an internet connection.
zebidiah@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
That is a lot of words to say it will be shittier and have more ads…
rantpalas@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Maybe someone should inform mr. lead over there that ambient and pervasive do not go together all that great. But then again, windows 11 ‘s components do not seem to play along too well, so they might not be sure what congruence actually is about.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Untrue! Let me give you some examples of things that are both ambient and pervasive!
Slime Molds! Entropy! Capitalist violence by the hoarding of wealth and refusal to engage with other humans with empathy Your Mom!
ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 3 weeks ago
take the penguin-pill and get out now!
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Eww
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
The only word I understand in that sentence, in this context, is “pervasive.”
ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
If I could just play new multiplayer games on it, for me the next version of windows would be Linux.
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I would recomend Linux mint, but the main thing, get used to the openscource alternatives for your programs you use now while you are still using windows. By the time you swap to linux, you’ll just have to get used to things like using “sudo apt install ****”, appimages and snaps. Just some things that are different about linux. Also I wouldn’t worry too much about trying to use a “gaming” distro. With some elbow grease pretty much any distro can look look and feel the same. All that matters is witch distro starts closest to what you want.
whats_all_this_then@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Most of these are great but I wanna point out some of the ones I don’t agree with
- I’ve found that the elbow grease bit is gonna be a dealbreaker for 90% of Windows users even when they hate windows. I hate it but that’s the truth
- Nvidia is much better than it used to be but it’s still a PITA unless you use a gaming distro or one that comes with proprietary drivers preinstalled and properly configured (even for someone already very comfortable with linux). This is important if you want Wayland to work correctly or need optimus on laptops. Furthermore, and this is laptop-specific, KDE Plasma is gonna have low FPS on secondary monitors or drain tf out of your battery by defaulting to dedicated graphics if your config is wrong (and it’s wrong by default on laptops)
- Switching desktop environments is a massive PITA so choosing the one you like first time is important.
Pumasuedeblue@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You don’t even need to use the command line in Mint. There are at least 3 decent gui package managers that I can think of if the top of my head.
Pamasich@kbin.earth 3 weeks ago
I love Windows 11 (the non-copilot+ version) and am positive on AI, but if they pull through with this vision, I WILL switch to Linux once Win11 support ends.
zebidiah@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Why wait? Just jump in now and start distro hopping until you find something you like…
Pamasich@kbin.earth 3 weeks ago
Like I said, I love Windows 11. I actually prefer its features in general to what I've seen of Linux, I prefer its design a lot, and there's some stuff, like WSA and autohotkey, which simply doesn't exist on Linux with the same simplicity as far as I know. Can't use classic shell on linux either, and the start menus I have seen either looked ugly or were more launchers than start menus.
themaninblack@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
bill look what they did to your baby
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
commander@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This guy’s got to know pervasive would come off bad. Ambient bad too
xep@discuss.online 3 weeks ago
Since I needn’t ambience nor multi-modal experiences in my OS, I’m afraid that even as a long-time windows user I’m going to have to switch to another OS that closer aligns to my needs.
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 3 weeks ago
Yeah, that sounds exactly like what everybody were looking for in an OS. /s
I’ve been very happy to be using Linux for the past decade and a half, but never more so than now.
BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Thanks for convincing me to get a Mac! I love it so far!!
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Mac does things differently…you like a windows manager? like to make your apps fullscreen and switch desktops? use alt+tab a lot? don’t get Mac.
install Linux instead.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And most of all, even more invasive.
Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Weird, my desktop interface isn’t any of those things. Huh.
npdean@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Why do corporations think so much about the OS? I always pick one that works well with my applications because I spend 99% of my computer time in the apps.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Question. Can’t you get around all this shit just getting win pro?
I still hate to give any $ to microshit, but if anyone wants to use popular software or play new games they need windows.
blargh513@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
It will be true if people are unwilling to put in a little effort to demand better or stop using windows.
You want your games to run on something else? Don’t buy them until they do. Sadly, most people are 100% unwilling to delay that instant gratification and sacrifice even the smallest convenience.
That’s how we got here. You cannot expect change if you are unwilling to do anything to make it happen.
This is why sloth is a deadly sin.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
100% , people are lazy as shit so there is no hope for linux until every single thing runs perfect without the user ever having tp touch a terminal or search a fix. Just how it is. I love to tinker, and thats why I love linux. But its not for the general population.
MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
I exclusively use Linux. In fact I don’t even own a computer that Windows would install on, at least not without hacks or workarounds.
I play a lot of games. In my experience only the trashiest of the trash games don’t work on Linux. Developers have to go out of their way and do extra work to make things not run on Linux these days. I will happily play an indie alternative of whatever trash enshittification sponsored game won’t run on Linux in the increasingly rare situation where I encounter one.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Im sorry but many popular games wont run well on linux.
-Any battlefield game -Valorant -Fortnite -Gtav online, likely gta6 will also not work.
These are huge among young gamers.
And good for you! I only use windows at work where I have to. And I just yell my friends i wont install shitty kernel anti cheat games. But they will play them without us anyway, so really we lose.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Even if true, that doesn’t mean you have to put up with it everywhere else.
I dual boot linux. And boot an extremely neutered Windows for most games.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You and I do this, but 99% if the world runs on ms. They wont change. My friend says it sounds exhausting to do anything like that.
richardmtanguay@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Good thing my next computer will be a Linux system. :-)
Bwaz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yup. Off to Linux I go.