The US President is not subject to laws, when acting in his official capacity, unless at least 1/2 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate vote to impeach him. So winning the election is a license to do illegal things, if you have enough political support.
At this point who in the world could stop Trump over doing something totally illegal? Like lets say using bunker buster bombs to destroy DEM cities? Or is USA communially FUCKED?
Submitted 11 hours ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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dhork@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Weirdfish@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
He is commander in chief of the US military.
The US military stresses disobeying illegal orders.
So the simple answer is the US military chain of command respecting their oath to the constitution over loyalty to Trump.
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 11 hours ago
Just like the Marines refues to be deployed to California
Weirdfish@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Remind me again how many Marines opened fire on civilians.
shalafi@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
And they basically did nothing but stand around. I think they arrested one guy? And that one guy was most likely being an asshole and pushed his luck past the brink. Also, there was only 700 of them. You couldn’t control my little hick town with 700 soldiers. LOL, they’d be hilariously outgunned by the rednecks and retired military. In any case, now they’re gone.
Yes, it was an egregiously corrupt use of the military, but that’s not even close to using weapons of war on an American city.
jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
you mean all the ones hes fired? lol. people are fucking clueless.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
You need hundreds of people all working together to drop a bomb on a US city. Commanders, officers, maintenance workers, ordinance loaders, pilots, navigators, even base MPs.
You really think you can get all of these people to agree to drop a bomb on a civilian US city?
Come now.
Weirdfish@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
The chain of command goes from the secretary of defense all the way down to the most junior enlisted personnel.
You seem to assume I meant the joint chiefs or some small hand full of senior commanders.
Generals don’t pull the trigger, and as someone else pointed out, the logistics involved with bombing a city includes hundreds of service members.
Not sure where you get off calling me clueless as my initial response exactly answers the original question.
If not for honorable service members respecting their oaths and the UCMJ, there is literally nothing stopping Trump from bombing Chicago or LA.
Pistcow@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Yes, but no.
Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
On paper there’s plenty that could. The Supreme Court could have stepped in to stop a lot of this. Executive orders only stand in places where a full fledged law from congress doesn’t cover the issue. The military is theoretically as obligated to disobey an unlawful order as they are to obey a lawful one and states are theoretically pretty insulated from federal interference except in a few explicit areas.
But, we don’t live on paper and none of those protections exist unless there are people out there who are ready, willing, and able, to act on them. What happens if the Supreme Court somehow manages to rule against the administration and they just flagrantly disregard the order? What happens if Trump orders the military to start attacking US citizens openly or starts an illegal war without congressional approval? What happens if Trump runs for president again in 2028? Or just says he’s president for life and we’re not doing elections anymore?
The answer is nothing, unless people stand up against him. And… so far… we haven’t seen much of that. Not from people in government at any rate. We’ve seen a bit from normal folks on the ground in places like LA, but our government’s been working to neuter the power of popular protest since the civil rights protests, perhaps even earlier. So reasonable people can disagree on the efficacy of that.
I really don’t want to echo the doomer line I’ve seen written here a lot, but yeah, we’re probably fucked. Like maybe if something was done like… a decade ago? Two? Maybe we wouldn’t be in this situation. But… as things stand? I don’t even know if the damage from the first Trump presidency can ever truly be repaired and more damage is being done on a weekly, almost a daily basis. Personally? I think it’s only a matter of time before this man breaks the global economy irreparably. In a way that simply can’t be swept under the rug again. Domestically? Who the fuck knows at this point? I have to resist the urge to laugh out loud whenever people ask where I see myself in five years because at this point I’ve got no idea what the next two weeks are gonna hold.
So… yeah. Fun times in the ol US of A.
shalafi@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Look at it this way, Trump is legally capable of firing the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank (Jerome Powell), and he hates that man’s fucking guts. Practically speaking though, Trump can’t sack the guy without sending shockwaves through the financial world and tanking our economy. At the moment, Trump is trying to trump up (heh) a reason to fire Powell because he can’t do it by fiat.
If his hands are tied over this thing he can legally do, you think he’d be able to bomb American cities? Think even the stoutest MAGA would applaud the bombing of New Orleans? They’re turning on him over the pedo thing, destroying an American city is two orders of magnitude worse.
marcos@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Keep in mind that he already ordered the military forces to siege US cities, and they gone through the process of doing it while refusing to escalate into actual violence.
Trump doesn’t seem to have that much control. I’m not sure he would be arrested if he ordered a strike, but I don’t think it would happen either.
TomMasz@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Could stop him or would stop him? SCOTUS has granted him blanket immunity for anything done as an “official act”, without bothering to specify exactly what an official act is. This has opened up a Pandora’s Box, needless to say. They’re literally expanding the power of the President, not limiting it.
Congress, since it is fully GOP-dominated, will neither impeach him nor attempt to override any veto should they pass laws to curtail his activities. Not that they would, of course.
The military has a duty to follow the Constitution and is supposed to disregard any orders to the contrary. But whether the military will act according to Trump or the Constitution is an open question. Remember, Trump has removed a number of senior officers whose loyalty to him was in question. And there are a lot of right-wing extremist types in the lower ranks of the military.
In short, we’re probably FUCKED.
Gelik@feddit.dk 7 hours ago
I’m no expert but
also long as the USA doesn’t bomb another countryisn’t it’s kind of the responsibility of the USA and their people itself?forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 11 hours ago
shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
USA fucked
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
No, the USA is not fucked.
Everything happening now has happened before, and worse, and the USA has endured. It may take some time, but the US will be fine.
stoly@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
The difference is now there are countries who have their shit together and will happily let the US become irrelevant.
zxqwas@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
You’re either trolling or you’re too far gone from reality to get back.
stoly@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Who hurt you?
zxqwas@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Noone, I just think that anyone who thinks he would get away with bombing a city is either trolling or has a tinfoil hat so heavy they would not get phone reception under it.
I’ll assume it’s a troll and thought it useless to feed him attention.
bunkyprewster@startrek.website 1 hour ago
We’ll ultimately be rescued by an invading foreign army: Canada, Mexico or China.