Submitted 3 weeks ago by skozzii@lemmy.ca to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
For so long we have always referred back to Nazi Germany as the last massive fascist and authoritarian takeover, but with America at the gates ready to go full fascist the Germans must atleast be relieved that in a few years we will be taking about MAGA America instead of Nazi Germany.
W for the Germans I suppose.
I’m German and terrified. I find it difficult to grasp that the playbook that was used in Nazi Germany is right there to compare, how the whole thing happened has been taught in schools to several generations in a row, there’s memorial places to visit - the whole wealth of information is there so it doesn’t happen again!!
And here we are, and it is happening again - in what seems an even more overt way than old Adolf ever dared to pull off. They just built a concentration camp in Florida and are loudly bragging about it. People are randomly being kidnapped from the street, based not even on their immigration status but their skin color, by groups of unidentified thugs. All while the media - even international media - still seem to be unable to call “Fascism” to what is happening.
I would have hoped that us being the eternal Nazis would at least have a deterring effect on other people to not fall into the same trap.
Yeah, I’m fine with being reminded of our country’s past again and again if it means others don’t do the same bullshit.
I think there are also some interesting similarities with Mussolini. Just think of the role media played. Trump was really active on Twitter, while Mussolini used Il Popolo d’Italia newspaper to spread his message.
And other countries - including Germany ofc - are copying it.
I think it’s partly that people think you can stop fascism with robust political structures and by cracking down hard on fascists. That approach doesn’t work, so long as the material conditions that lead to fascism exist it will come about.
I’m not actually sure what does work to stop fascism, considering the multiple fronts that fascism is mounting worldwide
does German media report much about American fascism and (getting my hopes up) Germans calling America out for it?
The majority of German media reports as if Trump was a normal politician doing normal politics stuff. Where I would expect some voices calling out the absolute awfulness of human rights violations being committed and laws disregarded it all sounds like “This is fine! We might not agree, but there is nothing outrageous! He’s just a very silly guy who happens to be the president of the USA!” - It is absolutely chilling to not have any larger news outlets getting absolutely alarmed, all is just business as usual. But then it’s the same with Israel - “12345678 more children died in the ongoing conflict (we are not going to tell you that they were murdered and who did it)” instead of “Israel commits murder and genocide and needs to be stopped.”
It all started again with the ‘I didn’t do that, how long have we got to apologize?!’ mindset.
Actually as a german it does feel pretty shitty to see fascism rise in America and all around the world…
Even here in Germany the far right is growing stronger and it feels like history repeating.
I mean, Merz is pretty fucking right wing.
And already has a proven track record of willingly and knowingly voting with then you further his “ideas”
Yes, but Spahn is the real danger (besides AfD, of course).
I’m gonna guess that most Germans aren’t actually viewing the situation as a zero-sum game. So no, I don’t think the US breaking bad is going to make Germans happier, in general.
Horrified seems more likely
They are, Germans today don’t fuck around with that, they punish it heavily like the US should have.
They really don’t amd honestly never did. Less people were punished at nuremburg than there were guards at Auschwitz. Many nazis got domestic government positions within years of the Paris Peace treaties and some got greater european positions of power like Chairman of the NATO Military Committee
Unless it’s Israel. Then, they confuse antisemitism with valid criticism of genocide, due to guilt over the Holocaust.
The Americans DID punish fascism severely. My grandfather stormed the beaches on D-Day. He lost his best friend from grade school. They were barely out of high school.
As for the Americans of today? I don’t consider maga to be American. Just like I don’t consider confederates to be Americans.
Because everything everyone thinks everywhere is always about america…
Like why should we germans even be bothered by US Americans talk about Nazi Germany? We talk about it even more ourselves anyways.
America also supplying the bombs for Israel to genocide Palestinians
Europe’s not free from that
Germany support the new nazim which is zionism
Don’t get me started…
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted.
Unfortunately due to their history and education a lot of Germans are allergic to criticism of Israel and the notion of zionism being genocidal and essentially fascist by now.
No, I imagine Germans are not happy. I imagine they’re as sad as anybody that America failed to learn from Germany’s mistakes. Only the extremely selfish and narcissistic would go “hey my country looks better now because another country is committing atrocities”
As a german i can tell you. Nope.
Shit is going down here too. And a big part of german culture is not being happy.
Political we have a chancler who worked for blackrock is opportunistic (in a bad way) and snuggles with the AfD. He leads a cabinet of corrupt dynastic politicians.
The nazis of the AfD, despite them seemingly breaking right now, is still growing and wont be banned it seems…
what do you mean ready to go full fascist? They’re already there.
Are you seriously downplaying the Holocaust and world war 2?
No.
I think Netanyahu is a lot further along on this path.
Israel has actual protests against the government ongoing. It’s not clear if Netanyahu will manage to win the next election.
There are no protests in Russia at all and elections are a farce.
“Damn, hella dangerous in here. Better cancel elections until the war is over. Can’t have our innocent civilians gathering at a voting place”
At least he’ll be out in three and a half years
I’m not holding my breath on that, given how nobody is holding him accountable for shit and being allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants; the rule of law be damned.
At one of his nazi rallies, he told his sheep out loud that “when [he] wins, you’ll never have to vote again.”
even if he is out 3.5years he is already doing so much damage.
He may be not out, and he also may be replaced by someone even worse, as difficult as that may be to imagine now.
Doesn’t America not have a rule where they can only serve two terms? Does this count as his second? or is it only for consecutive terms?
Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Believe it or not, we’d prefer no fascists anywhere.
SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is the correct response.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Glad it was already said, and by an actual German no less!
I was going to say “If I know Germans, they’re not happy. They’d rather leave fascism in the past and not have it exist anywhere. Also, whatever new government exists in the future, they’d like it to be really efficient, but also have triplicate paperwork. Which is somehow filled out easier than most single sheet forms.”
But then you came in, and summed up everything I was going to say.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Except those Germans who still think being a Nazi is great. Of which there’s a whole Eastern Germany worth of.
saimen@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Yeah, this whole thought process is such an american way of thinking and an image of what’s wrong with the US.
This is not a popularity contest in high school.
In contrast germans are terrified whats happening in the US because they are much more aware of their past and clearly see the analogies and what all this can lead to.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
For sure, but, I mean, if there had to be some, glad it ain’t here, amiright?
loomy@lemy.lol 3 weeks ago
exactly what a Nazi would say