Submitted 1 year ago by soviettaters@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
I can’t really think of a reason for that as Reddit is hated somewhat equally by “both” sides of the spectrum. It’s just something I find interesting.
I think everything West is leftish at the moment.
The Soviet Union went alt right, what could be more natural for the west to go left?
I’m Gen X, it’s all a bit too weird for me.
I think that’s an oversimplification as there is an outright fascist in Hungary, a borderline fascist in Italy and a growing in power far right in a lot of Europe. In addition the USA is 2 years away from giving up democracy completely.
If you think the West as a whole is trending progressive you aren’t paying attention
Still, don’t conservative parties in the EU still believe in things like climate change, heathcare, workers rights, etc?
Aren’t they more isolationist (pro Russian), against immigration (hard to blame them there), and anti checks and balances (fuck that)?
I think everything West is leftish at the moment.
Just no my dude, that is not the case at all. In most western nations the right has been getting stronger and more powerful for years now, just think of Trump getting elected as president of the USA or of the right wing governments that have been ruling in Italy for many years now. In Germany the right wing AfD party has the best polls since they were founded. The west is clearly drifting more and more to the right and has been for many years now. Russia has been supporting and amplifying that trend by financing right wing groups and by spreading propaganda and conspiracy theories. How anyone could get the idea the west would be leftist when considering what has been going on in the world during the last years completely evades me.
Russia (I assume this is what you mean) didn’t go “alt right”. They likely spend a lot of resources encouraging right wing politics in all countries they benefit from weakening the stability of. It’s no surprise they had a hand in helping Trump, brexit, Bolsonaro, NRA. Just look at who they supported in a massive disinformation campaign in Poland, a leader of the ultra-nationalist, neo-fascist “All-Polish Youth”.
Also, inb4 any whataboutuism about US meddling in the world, start your own thread about that, will you? I’ll probably agree with it.
I’ve resisted right up until this moment embracing this viewpoint, but I think we really have reached a point where every one of the old labels has lost all utility. We’re just sort of passing around paper mache cargo cult effigies of things our grandparents took for granted and didn’t bother to preserve for us.
Not really
Maybe the Anglos are becoming leftish, but continental Europe is becoming rightish instead
The british governement are doing more and more anti-immigration and anti-LGBT+ laws, so they also becoming rightish
The Soviet Union went alt right
You mean Russia?
Well it small anr mostly made up of young techies. So yeah a left leaning bunch.
UI this guy thinks millenials are still young
Who me?
I am a Nonist and hate reddit because of the cry baby and power tripping mods. Politics and political leaning doesn’t exist in my internet life. For my old ass the internet is another world.
What is a nonist?
He stands against the Knights who say Ni
I agree, at least not with this pervasiveness.
See, my worry was Mastadon’s Fascist rep. Lemmy’s left twist is no sweat of my back.
Does/did mastodon have a fascist reputation? I didn’t know it had any reputation at all, aside from “Twitter but different” to be honest, lol
pretty sure mastodon is like 99% gay cat girls posting long-winded info dumps about niche tech stacks… i have no idea where that person is getting their info…
Only outside of Mastodon. People confuse decentralized, P2P and federated and think it’s a free to all, which means fascism…
Considering I just got “permanently suspended” for making a bad joke on WTF, no appeal possible (nobody replies), Lemmy seems more fair. As getting banned for the entire site, so to speak, is really unlikely if not impractical versus Reddit where if one mod doesn’t like you, if left leaning (and they are all left wing fascists basically) you are F’ed.
Reddit is super left wing, Lemmy is too small (now) to compare or make any comparison to which is “worse”, so it can only be better right now.
I imagine it’s probably used in the same sense as “grammar Nazi”… like no, they probably don’t believe strictly in the tenets of National Socialism, but they’re still acting like a Nazi.
I am an ironic man, so it’s certainly possible.
Just speculating here. And building off some half-remembered On The Media pieces. But as (for any number of reasons) the faith in a social platform collapses (and often the safeguards against toxic stuff go down too, a la Twitter), people with a low tolerance for that shit are likeliest to bail and the ‘call people the N word on Xbox’ folks are likeliest to stay behind. People who could watch what Reddit did and stay behind aren’t bad, I’m not saying that, but their tolerance for unethical stuff is way higher than the tolerance of those who decided to find a new home. Self-selection, ya know.
ITT: left = progressive and right = conservative
Not my opinion, but from what I’m seeing it seems more like in this thread: Left = Good, Right = Nazis
Seems to be the American thing of pretending all the members of the party you don’t like are extremists and all the members of the party you do like are moderates
Pretty much sums up the nowadays discussions. If you’re a commie/socialist you’re good, if you even dare to defend the free market you’re a shit asshole.
Everyone who defends a free market will like Lemmy since it’s pretty much adding a competitor (or a ton of them if you count it as instances) to the market. If the instance owner wants profit or not I don’t know, but these type of servers does not run themselves for free.
I am not that leftist.
True. I do see a lot more laughable, “I am smart” tankie types here. But it is a new site, tech, that the nerdy, beta, leftist types flock to first.
I feel like there’s a lot more queer focused instances available. Tbh that would most likely make it easier for queer people, and those more accepting of them, to easily and comfortably move to an instance.
ALSO, makes it that much easier to get banned if you’re even slightly conservative imo. Imo we won’t see many consequences until we get a Steven Crowder or Daily Wire Instance.
I kind of disagree. From a European perspective, both American left and American right are just far right totalitarian genocidal lunatics.
But there are more people here who don’t push their crazy political agendas, that’s true.
Bro we’re trying our fucking best. It’s not our fault the boomers ran this shit into the ground on the far far right.
I know, I’m just tired of non stop extremism coming from US.
Why do you believe other political ideologies are not also “buying a narrative” (regardless of which one, make your pick!) meaning they too “[have] a certain level of ignorance that approaches being an average human being with minimal critical thinking”? Any ideology can make a narrative and sell it to people.
Yeah, Reddit leans boringly mildly progressive, Lemmy leans communist.
As an aside, “communist” has a very specific meaning, and I think (hope, assume) people here are using it like exaggerated lefty. But it’s not at all. The high school debate team type definition is long since dead. It generally means a forced expropriation of citizen wealth. Ala ccp or the Soviet state (notice, plox, that that is deceased). Does anyone here really want that!??
I’m pretty sure that’s what they mean.
It’s hardly communist leaning. There’s a very vocal minority of communists.
Where are the /latestagecapitalism mods?
Are they still on reddit and loving it?
I think there’s a wide range of people on Lemmy too but the extreme right and extreme left have ended up on instances that have been defederated from the main group. So what you’re seeing are the sensible, rational people, and in America such people are considered left wing I guess 😉
“FR” I need to take a look at the instances because I haven’t encountered one yet
I posted some memes about communism, you should see the comments in there
Lots of edgelords fantasizing about communism here on Lemmy while sitting in their parent’s basement.
Fortunately, this happened mostly on political-related topics
Yup it is. There are a lot of communist techie people I guess. I still generally state my political opinions here though. Let them be downvoted.
I agree. As a person who considers himself left-leaning, being on reddit makes me feel like a right winger
“As a black man…”
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Sorry, I think my comment was worded poorly. What I tried to say was simply that Lemmy is indeed a lot more leftist than the average social network. Not that this is bad.
It’s a more techy community since that tends to be early adopters. They tend to lean pretty heavy left and are more informed. You still have the techys with anime profile pics and are 4chan/incel that are right wing though. They get defederated really quick though.
Curiosity, so just because I have an anime profile picture. You suddenly consider me an “incel” and a 4chan?
Sounds mean man. I just really like anime, never been an incel and never used 4chan.
Doesn’t that make it an eChO cHaMbEr or something. Like, I don’t mind people I disagree with being within the same community I frequent, I just disagree within good boy guidelines. :)
I wonder how much of that on Reddit is just bots and shills, ie corporations paying to create and upvote posts and comments that support their agenda
It’s made by Communists
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I disagree. As a conservative I’ve only been banned from one sublemmy for my political alignment.
On reddit I got banned from space after space when my politics became known. Here I’m allowed to exist, which means this place is way less leftist than reddit.
VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Banning vs. not banning are not hallmarks of leftism, rather it’s the difference between communities that are making an effort to be inclusive (a hallmark of leftism, btw) versus communities where the mods are so tired and overworked that it’s easier to ban people than adapt to the disruptions they may cause (a capitalist reflex that prioritizes being palatable to everyone over being fair to everyone).
So yeah, from a certain point of view, because of the simple fact that you are being tolerated marks Lemmy as a more leftist platform.
MelonTheMan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Totally agree - when people start coming out as trolls/bad actors/fascists is when they’re rightly silenced
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think Lemmy is just more open than reddit rather than more left or more right. People are actually discussing different viewpoints with the intentions to find compromises that work, and haven’t yet fallen into the trap of becoming entrenched and just fighting over which team is right… mostly, seeing some tribalism on here but you can’t have a group of humans communicating without it showing up.
Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I can assure you they’re not engaging and merely down voting things they don’t like.