Submitted 3 weeks ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://blog.sebin-nyshkim.net/posts/nvidia-is-full-of-shit/
Folks, ask yourselves, what game is out there that REALLY needs a 5090? If you have the money to piss away, by all means, it’s your money. But let’s face it, games have plateaued and VR isn’t all that great.
Nvidia’s market is not you anymore. It’s the massive corporations and research firms for useless AI projects or number crunching. They have more money than all gamers combined. Maybe time to go outside; me included.
Oh, VR is pretty neat. It sure as shit don’t need no $3000 graphics card though.
Cyberpunk 2077 with the VR mod is the only one I can think of. Because it’s not natively built for VR you have to render the world separately for each eye leading to a halving of the overall frame rate. And with 90 gps the bare minimum for many people in VR you really don’t have a choice but to use the 5090.
Yeah it’s literally only one game/mod, but that would be my use case if I could afford it.
Also the Train World Sim Series. Those games make my tower complain, and my laptop give up.
Only Cyberpunk 2077 in path tracing. The only game i have not played until i can run it on ultra settings. But for that amount of money, i better wait until the real 2077 to see it happen.
The studio has done a great job. You most certainly have heard it already, but I am willing to say it again: the game is worth playing with whatever quality you can afford, save stutter-level low fps - the story is so touching it outplays graphics completely (though I do share the desire to play it on ultra settings - will do one day myself)
Since when did gfx cards need to cost more than a used car?
We are being scammed by nvidia. They are selling stuff that 20 years ago, the equivalent would have been some massive research prototype. And there would be, like, 2 of them in an nvidia bunker somewhere powering deep thought whilst it calculated the meaning of life, the universe, and everything.
3k for a gfx card. Man my whole pc cost 500 quid and it runs all my games and pcvr just fine.
Could it run better? Sure
Does it need to? Not for 3 grand…
Fuck me!..
I haven’t bought a GPU since my beloved Vega 64 for $400 on Black Friday 2018, and the current prices are just horrifying. I’ll probably settle with midrange next build.
When advanced nodes stopped giving you Moore transistors per $
Have a 2070s. Been thinking for a while now my next card will be AMD. I hope they get back into the high end cards again :/
The 9070 XT is excellent and FSR 4 actually beats DLSS 4 in some important ways, like disocclusion.
Concur.
I went from a 2080 Super to the RX 9070 XT and it flies. Coupled with a 9950X3D, I still feel a little bit like the GPU might be the bottleneck, but it doesn’t matter. It plays everything I want at way more frames than I need (240 Hz monitor).
E.g., Rocket League went from struggling to keep 240 fps at lowest settings, to 700+ at max settings. Pretty stark improvement.
AMD only releases high end for servers and high end workstations
Bought my first AMD card last year, never looked back
AMD’s Windows drivers are a little rough, but the open source drivers on Linux are spectacular.
I wish I had the money to change to AMD
This is a sentence I never thought I would read.
^(AMD used to be cheap)^
My last nvidia card was gtx 980.I bought two of them. After i heard about 970 scandal. It didnt directly affect me but fuck nvidia for pulling that shit. Havent bought anything from them. Stopped playing games on pc afterwards, just occasionally on console and laptop igpu.
And only toke 15 years to figure it out?
AMD & Intel ARC are king now. All that CUDA nonsense, is just price-hiking justification
Those 4% can make an RTX 5070 Ti perform at the levels of an RTX 4070 Ti Super, completely eradicating the reason you’d get an RTX 5070 Ti in the first place.
You’d buy a 5070 Ti for a 4% increase in performance? Ok.
They probably mean the majority of people, not 4070 Ti owners. For them, buying that 4070 Ti would be a better choice already.
Nvidia is using the “its fake news” strategy now? My how the mighty have fallen.
I’ve said it many times but publicly traded companies are destroying the world. The fact they have to increase revenue every single year is not sustainable and just leads to employees being underpaid, products that are built cheaper and invasive data collection to offset their previous poor decisions.
“and the drivers, for which NVIDIA has always been praised, are currently falling apart”
what? they were shit since hl2
After being AMD for years recently went back to nvidia for one reason. nvenc works way better for encoding livestreams and videos than amd
youtube.com/watch?v=kkf7q4L5xl8
Fixed in 9000 series
You don’t need NVENC, the AMD and Intel versions are very good. If you care about maximum quality you would software encode for the best compression
just_another_person@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
My mind is still blown on why people are so interested in spending 2x the cost of the entire machine they are playing on AND a hefty power utility bill to run these awful products from Nvidia. Generational improvements are minor on the performance side, and fucking AWFUL on the product and efficiency side. You’d think people would have learned their lessons a decade ago.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
they pay because AMD (or any other for that matter) has no product to compete with a 5080 or 5090
just_another_person@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Because they choose not to go full idiot though. They could make their top-line cards to compete if they slam enough into a pipeline and require a dedicated PSU to compete, but that’s not where their product line intends to go. That’s why it’s smart.
For reference: AMD has the most deployed GPUs on the planet as of right now. There’s a reason why it’s in every gaming console except Switch 1/2, and why OpenAI just partnered with them for chips. The goal shouldn’t just making a product that churns out results at the cost of everything else does, but to be cost-effective and efficient. Nvidia fails at that on every level.
Chronographs@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
That’s exactly it, they have no competition at the high end
Naz@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I have overclocked my AMD 7900XTX as far as it will go on air alone.
Undervolted every step on the frequency curve, cranked up the power, 100% fan duty cycles.
At it’s absolute best, it’s competitive or trades blows with the 4090D, and is 6% slower than the RTX 4090 Founder’s Edition (the slowest of the stock 4090 lineup).
The fastest AMD card is equivalent to a 4080 Super, and the next gen hasn’t shown anything new.
AMD needs a 5090-killer. Dual socket or whatever monstrosity which pulls 800W, but it needs to slap that greenbo with at least a 20-50% lead in frame rates across all titles, including raytraced. Then we’ll see some serious price cuts and competition.
Pirate@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Why do you even need those graphics cards for?
Even the best games don’t require those and if they did, I wouldn’t be interested in them, especially if it’s an online game.
Probably only a couple people would be playing said game with me.
RazgrizOne@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
Once the 9070 dropped all arguments for Nvidia stopped being worthy of consideration outside of very niche/fringe needs.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Got my 9070XT at retail (well retail + VAT but thats retail for my country) and my entire PC costs less than a 5090.
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
If you’re on Windows it’s hard to recommend anything else. Nvidia has DLSS supported in basically every game. For recent games there’s the new transformer DLSS. Add to that ray reconstruction, superior ray tracing, and a steady stream of new features. That’s the state of the art, and if you want it you gotta pay Nvidia. AMD is about 4 years behind Nvidia in terms of features. Intel is not much better. The people who really care about advancements in graphics and derive joy from that are all going to buy Nvidia because there’s no competition.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
First, DLSS is supported on Linux.
Second, DLSS is kinda bullshit. The article goes into details that are fairly accurate.
Lastly, AMD is at parity with Nvidia with features. You can see my other comments, but AMD’s goal isn’t selling cards for gamers. Especially ones that require an entire dedicated PSU to power them.
Static_Rocket@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well, to be fair the 10 series was actually an impressive improvement to what was available. Since then I switched to AMD for better SW support. I know since then the improvements have dwindled.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
AMD is at least running the smart game on their hardware releases with generational leaps instead of just jacking up power requirements and clock speeds as Nvidia does. Hell, even Nvidia’s latest lines of Jetson are just recooked versions from years ago.
Shizu@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Cause numbers go brrrrrrrrr