Why is Lemmy attempting to radicalise people to enforce class wars?

Submitted ⁨⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨catty@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

At this stage the whole Lemmy project feels like a CIA experiment, part of some as-of-yet unknown group of experiments / operation given a vague name. All the content is on the extremist-side, enforces attitudes perfect to embolden class wars and young people (no doubt the majority of people here) aren’t worldly enough to know the difference. It’s full of AI-generated political memes and comments.

Where’s the trove of knowledge? The awesome positive hobbies? If it’s around, it’s all drown out by the manipulative noise.

This could be easily fixed in the coding of Lemmy, but… it hasn’t.

I’m becoming very di-senlightened by Lemmy, Let the abuse and downvotes ensue.

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lmuel@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Decent shitpost, cheers

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- ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Is the resident Lemmy population becoming too easy to troll?
  
  Hello lemmings are you all left wing because you are CIA and racist?
  
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RiceMunk@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Not that I entirely disagree, but…

This could be easily fixed in the coding of Lemmy, but… it hasn’t.

I’m not sure how this could be fixed on the software level? Care to elaborate? Or even better, write up an issue + PR which proposes the “easy fix”.

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- zakobjoa@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  if content == political { content.censor = true };
  
  It’s like you don’t want this.
  
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  - RiceMunk@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Shit sorry, ~~the CIA told me not to point out~~I forgot that all content already automatically carries the political flag if it contradicts OP’s political biases, and thus all we need to do is check for that and censor accordingly.
    
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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Sure, I’m thinking controls for a better feed that doesn’t give voice to the constant political crap, more control over it, better blocking of post bots and AI slop generating bots.
  
  Honestly, I’d rather just look for a better server with less politically outspoken nobodies.
  
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  - RiceMunk@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Since according to you this is an easy coding issue that no one’s bothered to implement, how would you from a technical standpoint implement those improvements?
    
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Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The devs are communists.

Using Lemmy over Reddit is already an ideological choice for many of us, ergo you will find people with a stronger ideological backbone here.

Conditions in the English-Speaking world are getting more dire. The US Empire is struggling to prop itself up, billionaires control more and more of the wealth while working class folks control less and less, and more people are getting involved in reading theory and organizing.

Many leftist subreddits were shut down and fled to Lemmy, the same has not happened to the same degree for right-wing subreddits.

It’s as simple as that, really. I suggest you start reading some leftist theory, I made a Marxism-Leninism Beginner Reading List to help people who want to start doing that (comes with audiobook versions, too).
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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  your insinuation that those of us more politically active must be young and not worldly is infantilizing bullshit.
  
  Ahh, spoken like a true unworldly young person. I hope you understand in twenty years.
  
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  - Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Spoken like a teenager pretending to be an adult lol.
    
    People with actual experience don’t assume someone’s disagreement means they are inexperienced. But assuming as much is a good indicator of someone being actually inexperienced, though.
    
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Xulai@mander.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Sounds like a citizen or fed that is fat on propaganda swallowed whole and without thought is angry that others don’t share his delusions.

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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I never once wrote I disagree with it, but other than pseudo intellectual masturbation, it isn’t good for much.
  
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  - Xulai@mander.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It doesn’t seem like you understand how to speak properly.
    
    Pseudo intellectualism is when people present false or illogical statements as fact.
    
    And right now, the only person doing that is you.
    
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j4k3@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Leaves echo chamber ahhh WTF!

I post hobby stuff I’m working on. Everybody seems to care very little. I try to say stop being assholes and people hate for it.

Bias here seems typical for tech geekigarchy. After 2 years on Lemmy – echo chambers are also self selecting and self filtering.

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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  echo chamber
  
  Thanks, I guess that’s the phrase. You have to have the same mentality as the mods otherwise you’re banned. Challenging opinions isn’t allowed.
  
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sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
You should block a lot of people and communities, it helps with the ai nonsense. As for the radicalism, Lemmy was developed by communists. It is a niche free open source semi-decentralized platform that is free of ads. It’s gonna attract the type of people who have a lot of problems with capitalism. Radical leftists didn’t come here to radicalize people, they were here first.

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Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Imagine thinking Lemmy is propagandizing people into these beliefs and not just the one platform that’s not relentlessly shoving the capitalist boot down everyone’s throat and allowing for semi-genuine conversation like you rarely see in corpo social media.

Like, sure, it’s Lemmy that’s pushing the narrative of class warfare and no other platform has that kind of talk hidden by mod abuse. Nope, just Lemmy, clearly.

Maybe this is a selfawarewolf post…

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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Touchy subject for you huh, and you’re reading far more into it than the words that are there.
  
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  - Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Nah, just sick of the capitalist bootlickers pretending like there isn’t already a class war that we are and have been losing for centuries.
    
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ViperActual@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This is a case of being the change you want to see in the world. The fediverse contains content you subscribe to or create. It’s trivial to block content you don’t want to see. It’s still small enough that you can effect visible change on it. And if you’re not seeing content you want to see, are able to post that content.

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ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Do you apply it for Xitter/Farcebook?

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narr1@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
sounds like a skill issue to me, but then again i doubt any of those hobbyist communities spread across the fediverse are nearly as active as on reddit.

Also I don’t think inviting people (especially the young, most propaganda is probably taught in schools) in on the class war is a bad thing. Capitalists are the enemy of the people.

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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There should be no class war. A community that fosters it is not helping.
  
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  - DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Sure it should not but it sure is needed and does exist whether you engage in it or not.
    
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  - zakobjoa@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    No war but class war.
    
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  - Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    What should be and what is are two different things, and pretending like something doesn’t exist just because you don’t want itto exist is a detriment to you more than anything else.
    
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  - narr1@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    There’s your problem, by denying the need you are helping the opressors.
    
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lukstru@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I am really confused by the community this was posted in. Is it a genius shitpost or someone not understanding how social media works?

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- eta@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is by far not the first time aswell. I’ve noticed that there are a lot of people that seem to interpret this community as “a place to post your random shit to”.
  
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remon@ani.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Lemmy is best enjoyed with a very extensive blocklist.

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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Can I block communities out of my feed?
  
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  - remon@ani.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Sure. Just go to the community and select “block community” in the sidebar. (Or go to the settings -> blocks -> and type it into the search bar).
    
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ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Stick around, you might learn something for once.

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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Indeed, scores of manipulative political memes are how one learns.
  
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webghost0101@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If your feed has lots of ai i would also recommend blocking some posters, though in my experience lemmy has way more anti ai and downvoting of annything ai then whatever is left of the mainstream networks.

Another recomendation is to join a smaller instance you align with, you will have a much better experience.

Yes we do go rather hard left. Especially when it comes to the only war that counts, the class war, ruling elites versus the exploited masses. Its part of what makes this place so refreshing because corporate media heavily dislikes the need for global change.

And yes you can easily get radicalized here, another thing which is refreshing is how up front and not secretive people are about the fact we do alot of self propaganda for our personal flavor of ideals. After all lemmy is not for children (suprisingly many older people) you have to form your own opinions and people tend to be (on average) more respectfull towards diversity in idealogy. You don’t get insta downvoted as much as you get honest replies of someone wanting to discuss it.

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ryedaft@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Hmmm, the CIA is against class warfare (in the sense that you are using it here).

Different servers have different communities. You should look at the local timeline of various servers to find a server that perhaps suits you better than lemmy.world

You should also subscribe to communities on various servers to see the kinds of things you enjoy. Like cats or aww. Various birds always seem to have a lot of engagement across the Fediverse.

Class warfare exists whether you engage in it or not. When capital gains is taxed less than salaries for labour, that’s class warfare. When the success of a government is measured by the gains of investments like stocks and real estate rather than the economic circumstances of the majority of the people, that’s class warfare.

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- oo1@lemmings.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There’s a fair history of security services acting as agents provocateur infiltrating socialist and trade union movements to split them apart get evidence or ‘intel’ to imprison leaders. Certainly in the UK that was a part of their union busting tactics. So it is something to be aware of.
  
  I’m not sure that is what is happening on here though. I’m also not sure if that’s what OP was referring to.
  
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  - catty@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s the exact thing I meant and didn’t realise I had to be explicit as I thought this would be common knowledge amongst these self-proclaimed worldly people. It happens with any extremist group, terrorist cells or potential threats to the government and where better to obtain such information than online? It’s naive to think world’s governments don’t also have a lemmy presence.
    
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- ryedaft@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  PS the Fediverse in general skews a bit older. It’s generally the more tech savvy people that have become exhausted by big tech platforms.
  
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  - Fecundpossum@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Precisely. I’m a millennial, and this place has a decidedly millennial vibe. Linux nerds, privacy advocates, people seeking an alternative to the slop of mainstream social media. I would imagine people under 25 are a rarity here.
    
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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
IMO Lemmy has revealed that people around the world are more left-leaning and class conscious than I thought back when I was on R*ddit.

All the content is on the extremist-side, enforces attitudes perfect to embolden class wars …

Yes, unironically and openly, I support and advocate for class war against the capitalist class. The capitalist class wages their class war against the working class every single day in every single facet of modern existence. It’s well past time we start fighting back as an exercise of our own individual and collective self-defense. Class consciousness should never have been controversial, and it is only controversial because it encourages people to challenge capitalism.

… and young people (no doubt the majority of people here) aren’t worldly enough to know the difference.

You don’t need any political knowledge to know my positions. I am literally an anarchist, and I have said so loudly and often. Like me, most of these “extremists” are open socialists and communists and will readily tell you their views and ideologies (many of whom I emphatically disagree with from their left, but I somehow suspect you would consider me just as “extreme”, namely for challenging the utility and inevitability of capitalism).

Where’s the trove of knowledge? The awesome positive hobbies? If it’s around, it’s all drown out by the manipulative noise.

Yes, it is a shame that capitalism drowns out all our hobbies, all our positive experiences, everything so completely that we need to waste so much bandwidth drowning out the manipulative noise peddled by capitalists on almost every other platform.

It’s full of AI-generated political memes and comments.

I don’t recommend completely blocking yourself off from politics forever, but if you really need to take a temporary break like everyone deserves, I recommend making an alt account with all political communities and posters blocked. But keep in mind…you might be done with politics, but politics is never done with you. In particular, capitalism is never gonna ask your permission to use and abuse you.

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- catty@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  IMO Lemmy has revealed that people around the world are more left-leaning and class conscious than I thought back when I was on R*ddit.
  
  Not wanting to rain on your parade, but that’s what an echo chamber does.
  
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Limonene@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Do you have any evidence of major AI generated memes and comments? Sometimes I see an obvious AI image (and down vote it), and some communities are made for the purpose of AI so I blocked them. But aside from that, have you found much generative AI slop?

And if so, how would you fix that in code? Some sort of captcha? I think the volume is low enough that it wouldn’t help.

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