Firefox is dead to me – and I'm not the only one who is fed up

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• RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I can understand and relate to the complaints in this article but there’s not really another alternative that I would prefer to use either

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  • ada@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Exactly. I'm not running to chrome with it's defanged ad blockers and Google stink.

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  • Nindelofocho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    LibreWolf? Its just firefox minus the crap?

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    • nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      But where does libre wolf go if Mozilla vanishes?

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  • RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Scoot over and make room for me in that boat.

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    • timroerstroem@feddit.dk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      We’re gonna need a bigger boat.

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• gedaliyah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Why do people love to hate on Firefox? People have been harping on Pocket for years as a waste of resources that hardly anyone uses, but now that they are eliminating it, people are coming out if the woodwork to wax nostalgic?

  It turns out that making a modern browser is a huge, complex task. It’s been said that it is more on par with maintaining an OS than another type of app. Mozilla is not perfect but why are we so quick to let the perfect be the enemy of the good?

  It’s pretty tone-deaf to criticize layoffs on the same article that acknowledges their historic dependence on Google’s rapidly collapsing monopoly. Where is the money going to come from?

  A poorly thought out blog post about the only major browser that isn’t built on Apple, Google, or Microsoft.

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  • LWD@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s pretty tone-deaf to criticize layoffs on the same article that acknowledges their historic dependence on Google’s rapidly collapsing monopoly. Where is the money going to come from?

    If you scroll up, you’ll see the part of the article that mentions Mozilla wasting tens of millions of dollars on AI.

    Where is the money going to come from?

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    • gedaliyah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The author’s timeline is off. The AI investment was in 2023, before most of the Google antitrust activity. They are also scaling back their AI programs.

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• jeena@piefed.jeena.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yeah it's bad. Most of the points made in that article are valid.

  And once Firefox is gone, all the LibreWolfs and IronFoxs are gone too.

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    At some point in time FF was a normal project. A good project even. It could be in theory forked as easily as INN, or LibreOffice, or Xorg (oops, never mind), or whatever else big and “classical”. It was open to contributors, open in leadership. It was kinda anarchist.

    Like a good FOSS project, they considered all the tinkery\hobbyist use cases, having xulrunner and XUL in general. Like a good FOSS project, they didn’t treat what’s now normal there as normal.

    They had a sane UI. They supported the SeaMonkey project, because why be a jerk when you need not.

    But then at some point they made a deal with Google. So that’s a lesson - any deal works both ways.

    For me dropping XUL was the first firm sign of FF’s death, because they didn’t replace it with anything as good. It almost felt as if the main technical merit of dropping XUL was inability to tinker with it, and XUL’s problems with security and parallelism were used as excuses. They could have made an incompatible, but just as functional replacement, not just for my convenience, but for their own too.

    So, IMHO, if FF hadn’t died, they’d just split paths with the commercial web as far as a decade ago. Probably come up with something like what’s Gemini project is doing now, except much more.

    BTW, FF was a big enough browser to even affect de facto web standards, were it a good thing to use while ignoring Google’s bullshit. Instead they decided to track the bullshit and make the FF itself crappier and “more like Chrome” to compete for Chrome users.

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• voytrekk@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’m not happy with how Mozilla leadership has navigated the ship, but what is the alternative? If Mozilla dies, there isn’t enough funding for one of the forks to take over the browser.

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  • anon5621@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They had many years to fund alternative source of income instead of google,they trying to catch each trend of big corps for some reason.I really hate their CEO and all leadership they just destroying Mozilla inside instead of recover plan they coul release many years they didn’t mind to be dependent from Mozilla.Also as know relationship inside coworkers really bad everyone doing what they want or not,if u try bring new ideas to CEO and if not close to him/her u fucked up.So it cannot go anywhere else rather than this enshitication while organization management process are like that way.Unfortunately it will die because of reasons above

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    • hummingbird@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yup, I think this is the root cause for Mozilla’s inevitable failure: the wrong management for the job.

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    • LWD@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That Steve Teixeira guy seems all right. He successfully lead profitable division and fought against his employees getting laid off …aaaand he’s laid off too.

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  • ambitiousslab@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I for one would love to throw money at Mozilla, or any alternative, that has experienced developers behind it, doesn’t have conflicts of interest and acts on behalf of its users. This is why I donate to Servo, Ladybird and Dillo too (I know one of these is not like the others 😄).

    I don’t think they’d reach their current levels of funding through donations, but it might be possible to get enough together to keep it on life support.

    I know this wouldn’t be perfect, but surely better than losing it completely.

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    • anachrohack@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      ladybird

      No planned windows support though 🫤

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• whaleross@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Regardless of opinions, this article opinion piece is written like by an angry teenage nerd.

  I don’t understand what these angry anti FF people want that keep on having weekly rants on the topic. You are free to not use the software if you don’t like it or the company or whatever. Just move on and be happy.

  I’m getting tired of these haters any time Mozilla does literally anything and there is not a single constructive idea ever but the demand that Mozilla must operate like a benefactor for nerds that do not have to pay for anything ever.

  Damn, I almost wish Mozilla went commercial with FF to fund the development of it just because.

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• cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  people who never donated or contributed getting made at mozilla cancelling services like pocket and fakespot is amusing.

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• MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’ve been using Zen which is nice and has some stuff removed that we don’t want.

  But it’ll only be around as long as Firefox is around.

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  • thenose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m in the same boat using Zen. Eagerly waiting on Ladybird to come out. They are writing it from the ground up not even a package being used according to them. Oh and this isn’t some rando this is a guy who done decades of coding(mostly browser) so my hopes are high as Snoop

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Ladybird is nice, but has a long way to go.

      I personally think just tracking today’s Web is useless. It’s dying. It’s a system that went from conscious development to malicious growth of standards for the purpose of capturing the field.

      There’s a need of at least search, payments, hosting and CDN (and pooling in there, and paying for a resource and selling a resource) being integrated into the system for the new Web-like thing. So that siloed services solving these problems weren’t needed. I’m thinking lately of a system with some kind of “resource market”, where it’s seamless to globally sell and buy storage and computing resources, and transparent routing to those resources, with the market itself reminiscent of MMORPG markets, like in EVE. With search and payments being uniform, so that your client would aggregate results of many automatically retrieved indexers from a pool, without dependence on a single search engine.

      I dunno if this looks stupid. Just - paying for things with ads seems to have been a bad idea retrospectively.

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• flemtone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Never had issue with Firefox in my day to day use, sites load fine, uBlock stops all the annoyances and thankfully youtube works well for me.

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• Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If firebox being bankrolled by Google didn’t raise red flags for you before, I have some NFTs I’d like to sell you that I think you’ll find interesting.

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  • LWD@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Only after I make sure they’re legit by running them through FakeSpot NFT Guard.

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• nyan@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  There are reasons I went to Seamonkey for a couple of years, then to Pale Moon (which is divergent enough now that I expect it to keep chugging along even if Firefox folds—most of Mozilla’s patches are no longer relevant to its codebase). I’m interested to see what Ladybird will bring to the table, though.

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• benjhm@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Isn’t it technically possible to split browser functions so we can recombine as we like? - i.e. separating the rendering / js engine from everything around the side - managing all the tabs, bookmarks, cookies and passwords, workspaces and sessions, mail, notes etc. In my case, I like the workspace structure provided by Vivaldi, but don’t see why it has to be built on chromium browser. Anyway as a developer I need to test against blink, webkit and gecko, so would be nice to swap them within the same user interface structure.
  By the way, I develop a “javascript-heavy” web-app (interactive climate model) and it seems to be working fine, and fast, in firefox, so I’m not convinced by complaints in the article.

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s what we had with xulrunner. Unfortunately Mozilla dropped XUL and didn’t offer a good replacement.

    You could make any kind of browser with xulrunner.

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• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Ok, don’t use it but when all the pages work only in Chrome with disabled AdBlock don’t come back crying.

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• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Look outside of the US.

  Other countries have better laws around digital privacy and AI. Try products from those countries instead.

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• sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Servo?

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• land@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Onion browser is also good. Coming to Linux soon.

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  • merde@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    isn’t onion b. just tor browser adapted to the limitations of ios?

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    • CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I think they meant Orion, not onion.

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    • land@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      No, it’s a different project that runs on WebKit. The iOS version is fully open source, but as for desktop development, they mentioned that it will be open sourced in the future. It’s Safari, but with enhanced features. You can install both Chrome and Firefox extensions. It’s one of the fastest browsers I’ve used.

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