Plex has paywalled my server!

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com⁩ to ⁨selfhosted@lemmy.world⁩

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I tried testing a movie from my home server in plex through firefox and repeatedly got this message, even after reloading.

I knew that they had paywalled the apps on mobile and streaming from outside the network but now they have also blocked watching your own movies through your own hardware.

I do get the point that making software should be able to sustain people but I dont see the move of plex as a fair thing to do. Yes, they have made great software but taking your home server hostage feels like the wrong move.

Even a pop up that says “we need you to donate please” would have been fine. make it pop up before every movie, play donation ads before any movie but straight up disabling the app is kinda cruel.

Anyway, i have switched to jellyfin and it is insanely good. please give it a try. you can run it alongside plex with not issues (at least i had none) and compare the two.

In any case, good luck. Let me know if you need help.

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Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Jellyfin is great, but in defense of Plex, they announced that remote streaming would require one of the two parties to have a Plex pass was coming back in March so I don’t know if it’s fair to say they are holding anything hostage.

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- ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I started down the Jellyfin path after they made that announcement. It’s super easy to install, and in many ways the UI is nicer than Plex. But I ran into challenges getting my server safely accessible for users outside my LAN. And I haven’t had the time to look into that further.
  
  Would be great if there was a clean, easy way to set up the webserver portion so it’s as easy to share content entirely as Plex. But I get they are a volunteer project with a lot on their plate.
  
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  - easydnesto@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I have had great success with tailscale in this regard.
    
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  - sudo@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    But I ran into challenges getting my server safely accessible for users outside my LAN
    
    FWIW:
    
    vps + domain (optional?)
    
    connect vps to home server with wireguard (eg Tailscale)
    
    reverse proxy on the VPS forwarding to jellyfin (eg Caddy)
    
    Obviously not as trivial or seamless as Plex. Also I wouldn’t try to complicate this setup by using docker for everything. But once its up you can basically host whatever you want on the WAN from your LAN.
    
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  - Alfenstein@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I use wg-easy, which is a web ui bundled with wireguard and it works great. I only have to port forward a single wireguard port on my router.
    
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- hedgehog@ttrpg.network ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If they’re calling it remote streaming when you’re on the same (local) network, that’s not exactly intuitive. I’d say OP’s phrasing was fair.
  
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  - CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    OP has a misconfigured server and isn’t connecting to their server over LAN.
    
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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah, there is no defence on enshittification, sorry. I have jellyfin now. Its also not remote which makes this a huge dick move too.
  
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  - Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Wait its not remote? You’re on your local network?
    
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grue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Every non-Free Software will betray you eventually. It’s only a matter of time.

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- FarmTaco@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  well, except WinRAR
  
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  - Tuxman@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    What do you mean WinRAR isn’t free?!
    
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- pwnicholson@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I thought free software was when you were the product and non-free software actually supported developers.
  
  Or do you mean non-OSS?
  
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  - llii@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    “Free Software” is a defined term: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
    
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  - SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Free as in freedom, not as in free beer.
    
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  - Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah, the wording is confusing. A long time ago, there was no paid software, there was only software where you got the source code and other software where e.g. it was pre-installed on some hardware and the manufacturer didn’t want to give the source code.
    
    In that time, a whole movement started fighting for software freedom, so they called their software “free”.
    
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  - grue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I mean non-Free Software.
    
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- Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I just wonder if plex will ever sell the list of movies and IP address of everyone. Many people have the ARRs to auto download, even stuff still in theaters. What good is a VPN when plex knows your email and IP.
  
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  - rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Honestly, I’d be rather shocked if this wasn’t already the case.
    
    Moreover they probably have a database of everything you’ve ever watched and your IP and email address, just waiting to be leaked to the internet through sale or ransom.
    
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  - grue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Sell or get subpoena’d; tomayto, tomahto.
    
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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  A little oversymplified but i’ll take it. :)
  
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AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
In this thread:

An OP that doesn’t understand how their network is working

People rushing to suggest a solution that they fawn over because it’s open source. I have yet to see anyone recommend Emby.

“Tailscale will solve all your problems!” Great - how do I make that work on an LG TV that’s 100 miles away?
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- tabular@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Open source has high immunity to devs making changes at the expense of user for their benefit because anti-feature can be removed. Recommendating another proprietary alternative here would be like recommending to leave an abusive partner but then recommend someone with the same red flags they had.
  
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  - mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    It’s also the most complex to set up, and for many people the threshold is “walking your tech-illiterate mother-in-law through side loading it over the phone, because she lives 100 miles away… She’s afraid to touch her computer for anything except email and Facebook. And then resetting her password every 30 days, because she keeps locking herself out of it.” Suddenly the “just fucking sign into Plex and it automatically discovers your server” option becomes a lot more appealing.
    
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  - AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Welcome to “People rushing to suggest a solution that they fawn over because it’s open source.”
    
    How do you personally 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt know that Jellyfin is the right solution? Why not a VPN, shared folder, and VLC? What about running a DNLA server?
    
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  - GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    self love isn’t always an option
    
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- spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  #3 - An OpenWRT router with Wireguard connecting to another router 1000 miles away will do the trick.
  
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  - AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Great; how do I get my Mother to do that over the phone?
    
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- kieron115@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Seriously. I hate when people assume default settings are the only option. You don’t even need a Plex account to set up Plex. It will just be less seamless and user friendly. Image
  
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- surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If #3 is your use case, then yeah, pony up the fees. Or learn to code I guess.
  
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  - AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    So, like every other jellyfin fanboy, no real actual answer.
    
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- GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  fucking a, man
  
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  - AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Thanks
    
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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The condescension in your first point is brutal. I suggest you apologize.
  
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  - MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    And I would suggest learning how to configure your software before coming here and stirring shit. But we can’t always get what we want
    
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- Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’ll add to #2 (IDK if it’s open source, though):
  
  Give Stremio a try. Once you set it up (basically just add the Torrentio plug-in then whatever content catalogs you want), the workflow is much better and simpler than Plex.
  
  You just browse it like Netflix: see something you want to watch, then stream it immediately. You don’t even have download the content beforehand. Could not be easier.
  
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  - AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Is it torrenting in the background? Because, if it is, then you need a VPN and I don’t know how to set one up on my LG TV. Would you happen to have a guide?
    
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  - neomachino@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Is Streamio considered safe/private? I remember looking into it a while back and saw something about needing an account on their servers or something.
    
    I used Kodi with addons for ages but switched to jellyfin because kodi felt too clunky and slow for my wife.
    
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  - Decq@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I always see people advocate fir Stremio. But my experience was always very mixed. Half the time it would just buffer all the time. I guess it’s s my own fault for having little interest in the latest Marvel/Hollywood movies, but alas. I way more prefer my jellyfin/jellyseer/arr stack. Once it’s available I’m (99%) sure it works from everywhere in the world.
    
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- smiletolerantly@awful.systems ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Actual answer for 3:
  
  put jellyfin behind a proper reverse proxy. Ideally on a separate host / hardware firewall, but nginx on the same host works fine as well.
  
  create subdomain, let’s say sub.yourdomain.com
  
  forward traffic, for that subdomain ONLY, to jellyfin in your reverse proxy config
  
  tell your relatives to put sub.yourdomain.com into their jellyfin app
  
  All the fear-mongering about exposing jellyfin to the internet I have seen on here boils down to either
  
  "port forwarding is a bad idea!!“, which yes, don’t do that. The above is not that. Or
  
  "people / bots who know your IP can get jellyfin to work as a 1-bit oracle, telling you if a specific media file exists on your disk” which is a) not an indication for something illegal, and b) prevented by the described reverse proxy setup insofar as the bot needs to know the exact subdomain (and any worthwhile domain-provider will not let bots walk your DNS zone).
  
  (Not saying YOU say that; just preempting the usual folklore typically commented whenever someone suggests hosting jellyfin publicly accessible)
  
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  - Lazarus@mastodon.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    @smiletolerantly @AtariDump
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_Transparency
    Makes sure bots will hit you as soon as the certificate for your domain is issued
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- HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  For #3, subnet routing.
  
  tailscale.com/kb/1019/subnets
  
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  - AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Where do I find Wireguard for my LG TV?
    
    You can’t expect my relatives living 100+ miles away to start monkeying around with their router. That be like asking you to set the spark plug timing correctly using a timing gun.
    
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curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Remote, yes, they announced you need Plex pass one side or the other for it to work.

Local, no, that shouldn’t happen. Your device isn’t reaching your Plex server locally.

To work around the remote issue, you can VPN to your local network.

But you’re better off in the long haul with Jellyfin as you’re doing now.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah no. That is local. But thanks for the suggestion. Jellyfin works well.
  
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  - curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It isn’t hitting it locally is the issue. Not an uncommon problem with plex unfortunately, its going out to come back in, so the server and client see it as remote.
    
    Without playback you wouldn’t even be able to see that in the dashboard, which just makes the direction Plex is going so much more problematic.
    
    Like I said, better off using JF.
    
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  - MangoPenguin@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Its not a local connection if you're getting this message. You might be in the same network, but for some reason it's not connecting directly.
    
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fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Old news, but time for Jellyfin. I made the switch a couple months ago. Some minor teething issues, but better, IMO, especially now as my family all have LDAP users and that just works.

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- a_baby_duck@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I made the switch a few months back as well. Have you had the issue where"Recently Added" just straight up doesn’t work? It’s about 50/50 for me whether my new downloads show up there or not, and if they do, it’s usually inserted somewhere down the list between other things I added months ago. Not sure if there’s a workaround, but it’s my #1 complaint with Jellyfin. Otherwise, it’s been great.
  
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  - fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    How is your underlying file system set up?
    
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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  awesome. thanks for chiming in. I will have to check how to do external streaming without opening my network up to the world (metaphorically).
  
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  - Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    …wireguard
    
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  - Grappling7155@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You’ve got options.
    
    Pangolin Wiredoor Cloudflare Tunnel Tailscale
    
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  - fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Can your router open ports from a hostname vs an IP? If so, clients could run dynamic DNS.
    
    WG client side isn’t really that hard, though. All the fam run WG 24/7 on devices, and only traffic for the internal network goes through it.
    
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- tuhriel@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Give me a package that runs on my ds214play and I’ll switch in a heartbeat
  
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PhAzE@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Plex has pay walled FREE servers streaming to FREE clients only.

If you have a plex watch pass (for client) you’re good and can stream from any server. If you have a plex pass (for server) any one can stream from your server. But you have to have one or the other.

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- MSids@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  For software I like made by people getting paid, I was happy to pay the one time fee. It’s really good, secure, and downloads are fast now.
  
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- millie@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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- HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  And I just tested streaming from my free server to my free phone while said server is at my house, and my phone is with me at work.
  
  Works fine over a VPN.
  
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- boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yes. But it used to be free to watch remotely. It’s 99% your own hardware doing everything. Their services get used for discovery, not as proxies for the connection itself, AFAIK.
  
  You already had to pay them to allow transcoding with your own GPU, etc.
  
  Right now it’s still not too bad, but just watch, enshittification will affect paid users too. For one, I expect the lifetime pass to go away, and go away retroactively eventually.
  
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ISolox@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Why anyone still uses Plex for new setups is beyond me.

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- CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  pretty much the only reason I still use Plex is because I like to be able to watch stuff during downtime at work and plex.tv isn’t blocked on the work network while my private domain is.
  
  And no, using a hotspot off my phone on a personal computer isn’t an option, both because the security requirements of my job site prevent us from using personal devices in the main area where I work and because the building itself is a massive concrete structure that blocks most cell signals.
  
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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Well, i didnt. Its a legacy install and i had jellyfin already running parallel because of the remote streaming paywall they introduced.
  
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psychadlligoat@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Someone else already said it and you've already sepaped but I'll say it in detail:

when setting the server connection up you selected "ServerName (long string of numbers)" and not "ServerName (your IP - SECURE)"

this routes your connection through the Plex servers and makes it not a local connection anymore. this is extremely easy to do and forget you've done because it barely impacts performance

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- grue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  In other words, it’s a dark pattern that tricks users into letting Plex MITM their connection.
  
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lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Plex has paywalled my server!

Skill issue tbh.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah but not on my end.
  
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rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s pretty rare that a company starts taking away free features and doesn’t end up fucking payers in the end.

The biggest bar to Jellyfin is TV clients, the second biggest is security.

TV clients can be fixed with a one-time purchase of a $20 android TV stick. If viewing your familys ARR content isn’t worth $20 you probably don’t need to do it anyway.

Security for remote streaming is a harder thing to handle. Most people are capable of port forwarding, But just hanging a smallish public project out there in the open is always a dicey proposition. It honestly needs real fail2ban, probably SSL, 2FA and password complexity requirements.

We could probably make a jellyfin helper container to handle some of this. Walk people through Let’s Encrypt, dynDNS, port forwarding tests, add fail2ban with a firewall, maybe even slap suricata in it.

We need to convince the project to add 2FA and password complexity requirements.

I don’t know guys what do you think is it crazy? does it make sense? Would anybody actually use it?

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- rollerbang@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I access my stuff via VPN. As for sharing with others, I simply don’t do that. VPN is still an option though. Or temporary client whitelisting, etc.
  
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- kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You can address the 2fa by putting it behind something like authelia, but still, the project needs to step it up
  
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DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
What about switching to Jellyfin?

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UxyIVrljPeRl@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Welp, i killed mine yesterday as it wouldnt let me stream while offline. Modem died so no Internet for me. Why do i have everything local if it dosent work while offline…

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FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Are you saying that you’re on your home network with your Plex server and it won’t let you play your mode is without paying? That’s not true if so. You must be outside the network.

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tkw8@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’ve never been a Plex user. Always been with Jellyfin. I’ve heard that plexamp is a killer app but finamp has always been sufficient for my admittely pretty basic needs. But I have a question for you (meant in good faith). You say,

I do get the point that making software should be able to sustain people but I dont see the move of plex as a fair thing to do. Yes, they have made great software but taking your home server hostage feels like the wrong move.

If Plex needs a sustainable business model, asking for donations isn’t enough. So what is the move for them? What do they do to both fulfill their need for a sustainable business and also not upset their userbase?

I’m genuinely curious how, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, they should have played this or at a minimum, made better than they did.

Very glad you’re with jellyfin btw. You can check out some cool plugins at awesome-jellyfin.

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fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Plex really needs to do a Tailscale style connection to your server. But instead they chose to keep their outdated method of funneling all of their traffic through their servers, and need to charge lots of money in order to pay for it.

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HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
As was stated on the first post you made about this, it’s a dns or nat reflection issue.

Plex sees you accessing it through your external IP address, and not through your lan IP.

I had a similar problem, and had to roll back some nat changes I made, and now it’s working fine again.

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oakey66@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I had a plex pass and was still having tons of issues streaming to other devices such as Apple TV. So I switched everything over to jellyfin with news server and have everything scheduled through radarr and sonarr. Never going back.

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HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Make sure your home server config isn’t mistaking this client as a remote user. Check your networking, etc

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HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Access via IP address and not the name. I’ve been having to do it that way for several days now, too.

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twinnie@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This is just some glitch. They’ve not said anything about watching stuff locally becoming a pay thing.

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millie@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Threads like this are why people don’t use open source. It sounds like a reality-denying anti-intellectual one-size-fits-all cult in here. This is also like half the threads about Linux. Just armies of tech bros who couldn’t put themselves in someone else’s shoes if their life literally depended on it.

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atthecoast@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’ve never seen the appeal. A simple smb share and Kodi work perfectly fine no?

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SplashJackson@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Plex sucks the butt

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hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Exposing Jellyfin through routing or SNAT plus dyndns would be a cheap option.

As soon as one rents a VPS (to expose the selfhosted at home service through routing/ tunneling) it would cost at least 2€/ month?

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solrize@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This almost seems like a leopards ate my face situation. I remember Plex supplanted some other proprietary media server that went evil. I couldn’t understand why people burned by the first one switched en masse to another one like it. Once wasn’t enough? If you’re going to switch at all, go to something that is 100% libre.

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themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This is the reason I didn’t go with Plex when I was setting up my server.

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Stillwater@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s a fork of open source software. If only “line go up” didn’t have to be the way things worked they could have stopped developing features no one wants just to squeeze out profit, and sustained without enshittifying. Maybe.

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30p87@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
soap2day.pe etc. have never failed me.

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NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Im using it locally with no subscription or any payment and it works fine. I stream to other smart tvs on the house not my phone though. If its connected to the local lan you shouldn’t have this issue.

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