We went from LEARN TO CODE to NO ONE LEARN TO CODE GET A CONSTRUCTION JOB in about a 3 year span.

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• cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As a software engineer who uses AI agents daily, let me tell you: now is as good a time as any to learn to code. LLMs won’t replace any developers.

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  • LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As a graduate from good university in computer science who is struggling to find a job. Go learn something that can be aided by code, but don’t make code the center of your career…

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  • copd@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “any developers?” bad choice of words. I can promise you with absolute certainty that SOME developers WILL be made redundant because of AI.

    not all, not lots, not the majority, but some

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    LLMs are going to replace some developers, the companies that do that will fold because their product doesn’t work, the developers will get jobs elsewhere.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The market can stay irrational for longer than you can afford not to eat

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  • fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well the job market for developers is still pretty tight at the moment. I don’t have the insight to say for sure why, but I know that for me and every junior developer I know it’s rough out there.

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    • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t have the insight to say for sure why (though I have some guesses),

      In the USA, there’s a tax break for research teams expiring this year. In the USA, I suspect this is the real motive.

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    • meekah@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As a junior dev with prior working experience, currently not working as a programmer, yeah. I can only agree.

      We might understand AI won’t actually solve the same problems we are able to solve, but the people deciding budgets dont understand that.

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• henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Problem is, people want a silver bullet and there just isn’t one.

  You need to create an economy that works for everyone where skilled workers from all professions can be successful. You can’t cram everybody into one job and expect everything to just work out.

  Just about all jobs are important, and deserve a living wage and fair compensation for that work.

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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Demand for human workforce is primarily caused by the economy’s growth. It requires significantly less human workers to maintain an economy.

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    • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That really can’t be correct. Growth adds some jobs for sure, but not as many as you’re implying. While “maintaining” an economy, you still need just as much health care, food production, retail stores, education, road maintenance… I mean just about everything I can think of with the one exception of construction won’t be significantly different in a growth economy.

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• lordnikon@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not so much we need manual labor but skilled technical labor. Like plumbing, electrical, working with pulse logic controllers, Mason, welder, Nursing, emergency room technicians. Etc

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  • Lucelu2@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Currently there is a big shortage in Nuclear Medicine (NM) Technicians (with PET and CT certs as well) and ECHO technicians (particularly those with certification with infant ECHO). The hospital I work in started an ECHO school because so many leave to travel or go to the cardiology offices. It is the only way we can keep staffed. NM-- we are reduced in the cardiology offices to hiring on one travel tech per office (we used to have 3 techs at a time). With one tech, they have to provide extra nursing support and it is almost harder to keep office nurses.

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  • Zirconium@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places but it seems nobody wants to train technical labor at least in northern Alabama. But the political climate has thrown a wrench in jobs rn

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    • Lucelu2@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Unions are pretty weak in the South. Go North. MA, IL, WI, NY, PA, MI…

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  • Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My dad is a master mason and can’t find anyone at all who wants to do the job. It’s hard, hard work. Unfortunately, it seems like he’s going to have to retire with no apprentices to carry on all his incredible knowledge.

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    • CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s also a job as you allude to where early retirement needs to be part of the plan. It’s a good job but hard on the body and it’s hard to create an efficient way to reduce the amount of weight that they need to lift in a day.

      I know a few who were union and pensioned off, retired in their 50s but that doesn’t change the way their joints feel.

      Not sure if it’s better or worse than turd herding.

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    • resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Maybe he should pay more?

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  • Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As a skilled technical laborer, I utilize AI to remind me of niche topics I’ve forgotten on the fly, and it’s shockingly accurate. I think I’ve seen one mistake in 2 years, and it was a minor one at that. Luckily, we’re not quite at the point where robotics can replace me, but I could see it replacing 50% of my workplace in my lifetime.

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• Vinny_93@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We are still a long ways away from AI being able to replace programmers. The amount of sheer bullshit code and wrong stuff it writes currently will cripple any information system currently keeping economies up and running.

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  • TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well yeah but I believe the idea is in short the uncertainty, why it’s saying “in 10 years”. Think of it now as you have a kid graduating high school this year, and asks you what to major in in college that’s likely to make enough to pay off those killer loans it’s going to take.

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    • rikudou@lemmings.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well, Wordpress was meant to replace all professional web builders. Visual programming was meant to obsolete all programmers because everyone will be able to write software. Every decade there’s a new thing that will replace programmers. Nothing did so far.

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  • DelightfullyDivisive@discuss.online ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think a lot of the crunch in the labor market for programmers is “monkey see monkey do” thinking at the big tech companies. It might even be somewhat calculated, though I hesitate to call something a conspiracy when it could simply be due to stupidity on the part of senior management.

    Large tech companies tend to have a lot of flexibility and their total headcount because they have a wide variety of departments and tasks that they can set aside for an extended period before it causes any problems. Those problems will eventually catch up with them, though, as will a code base written by somebody who doesn’t understand what they’re trying to accomplish.

    So I think the pendulum is going to swing back to a labor crunch at some point. My guess is at least another 6 months before we see any hint of that, though. I don’t think it will be as bad as it was before the advent of LLMs, though. They really are a productivity enhancing tool, particularly for software developers who know what they’re doing.

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    • Harlehatschi@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The only field I see LLMs enhancing productivity of competent developers is front end stuff where you really have to write a lot of bloat.

      In every other scenario software developers who know what they’re doing the simple or repetitive things are mostly solved by writing a fucking function, class or library. In today’s world developers are mostly busy designing and implementing rather complex systems or managing legacy code, where LLMs are completely useless.

      We’re developing measurement systems and data analysis tools for the automotive industry and we tried several LLMs extensively in our daily business. Not a single developer was happy with the results.

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  • Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That won’t stop large corporations from dramatically reducing programming jobs my friend.

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    • Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sounds like a lot of opportunities opening up for smaller independent companies.

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    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They will be forced to replace the laid off workers when they see that AI doesn’t replace them. Having a skill will still be valuable. Search “Klarna AI rehire”. That’s just support agents. Coders will be fine.

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    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I watched in real time tech bros defending AI about stealing everyone’s art to them realizing that they’re creating something that will replace them. It’s was sad funny.

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    • dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Until they notice that cleaning up after failed AI-written code is more expensive than writing working code from the start. Which is already happening for some companies.

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• billiam0202@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nah, it’s just changed from

  Learn to code

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  Learn to AI prompt engineer, bro!

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  • einlander@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    From Learn to Code to Build to Code.

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