Why so much hate toward AI?

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I’'m curious about the strong negative feelings towards AI and LLMs. While I don’t defend them, I see their usefulness, especially in coding. Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution? I want to understand why this topic evokes such emotion and why discussions often focus on negativity rather than control, safety, or advancements.

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Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Because the goal of “AI” is to make the grand majority of us all obsolete. The billion-dollar question AI is trying to solve is “why should we continue to pay wages?”. That is bad for everyone who isn’t part of the owner class. Even if you personally benefit from using it to make yourself more productive/creative/… the data you input can and WILL eventually be used against you.

If you only self-host and know what you’re doing, this might be somewhat different, but it still won’t stop the big guys from trying to swallow all the others whole.

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- iopq@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Reads like a rant against the industrial revolution. “The industry is only concerned about replacing workers with steam engines!”
  
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  - Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    You’re probably not wrong. It’s definitely along the same lines… although the repercussions of this particular one will be infinitely greater than those of the industrial revolution.
    
    Also, industrialization made for better products because of better manufacturing processes. I’m by no means sure we can say the same about AI. Maybe some day, but today it’s just “an advanced dumbass” considering most real world scenarios.
    
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  - chloroken@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Read ‘The Communist Manifesto’ if you’d like to understand in which ways the bourgeoisie used the industrial revolution to hurt the proletariat, exactly as they are with AI.
    
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  - jrgn@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    You should check out this thenib.com/im-a-luddite/
    
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- Mrkawfee@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  the data you input can and WILL eventually be used against you.
  
  Can you expand further on this?
  
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  - Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    User data has been the internet’s greatest treasure trove since the advent of Google. LLM’s are perfectly set up to extract the most intimate data available from their users (“mental health” conversations, financial advice, …) which can be used against them in a soft way (higher prices when looking for mental health help) or they can be used to outright manipulate or blackmail you.
    
    Regardless, there is no scenario in which the end user wins.
    
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jyl@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Useless fake spam content.

Posting AI slop ruins the “social” part of social media. You’re not reading real human thoughts anymore, just statistically plausible words.

Same with machine-generated “art”. What’s the point?

AI companies are leeches; they steal work for the purpose of undercutting the original creators with derivative content.

Vibe coders produce utter garbage that nobody, including hemselves don’t understand, and somehow are smug about it.

A lot of AI stuff is a useless waste of resources.

Most of the hate is justified, IMO. Some I think is not. A week ago I died on the hill arguing that an LLM can be useful as a code documentation search engine. Once the train started, even a reply that thought software libraries contain books got upvotes.
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- Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Not to mention the environmental cost is literally astronomical. I would be very interested if AI code is functional x times out of 10 because it’s success statistic for every other generation is much lower.
  
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  - fullsquare@awful.systems ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    chatbot DCs burn enough electricity to power middle sized euro country, all for seven fingered hands and glue-and-rock pizza
    
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Illecors@lemmy.cafe ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
There is no AI.

What’s sold as an expert is actually a delusional graduate.

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boatswain@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Because of studies like arxiv.org/abs/2211.03622:

Overall, we find that participants who had access to an AI assistant based on OpenAI’s codex-davinci-002 model wrote significantly less secure code than those without access. Additionally, participants with access to an AI assistant were more likely to believe they wrote secure code than those without access to the AI assistant.

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- Dr_Nik@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Seems like this is a good argument for specialization. Have AI make bad but fast code, pay specialty people to improve and make it secure when needed. My 2026 Furby with no connection to the outside world doesn’t need secure code, it just needs to make kids smile.
  
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Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I can only speak as an artist.

Because it’s entire functionality is based on theft. Companies are stealing the works of ppl and profiting off of it with no payment to the artists who’s works its platform is based on.

You often hear the argument that all artists borrow from others but if I created an anime that is blantantly copying the style of studio Ghibili I’d rightly be sued. On top of that AI is copying so obviously it recreates the watermarks from the original artists.

Fuck AI

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- Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  You can’t be sued over or copyright styles. Studio Ponoc is made up of ex-Ghibli staff, and they have been releasing moves for a while. Stop spreading misinformation.
  
  www.imdb.com/title/tt16369708/ www.imdb.com/title/tt15054592/ www.imdb.com/title/tt8223844/ www.imdb.com/title/tt6336356/
  
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INeedMana@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Wasn’t there the same question here yesterday?

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- hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Yes. https://infosec.pub/post/29620772
  
  Seems someone deleted it, and now we have to discuss the same thing again.
  
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  - INeedMana@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    According to modlog it was against Rule#2
    
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EgoNo4@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers? Or is it the theft of training material without attribution?

Both.

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Vanth@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Don’t forget problems with everything around AI too. Like in the US, the Big Beautiful Bill (🤮) attempts to ban states from enforcing AI laws for ten years.

And even more broadly what happens to the people who do lose jobs to AI? Safety nets are being actively burned down. Just saying “people are scared of new tech” ignores that AI will lead to a shift that we are not prepared for and people will suffer from it. It’s way bigger than a handful of new tech tools.

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SpicyLizards@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Not much to win with.

A fake bubble of broken technology that’s not capable of doing what is advertised, it’s environmentally destructive, its used for identification and genocide, it threatens and actually takes jobs, and concentrates money and power with the already wealthy.

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- iopq@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  It’s either broken and not capable or takes jobs.
  
  You can’t be both useless and destroying jobs at the same time
  
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  - medem@lemmy.wtf ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Have you never had a corporate job? A technology can be very much useless, but incompetent ‘managers’ who believe it can do better than humans WILL buy the former to get rid of the latter, even though that’s a stupid thing to do, in order to meet their yearly targets answer other idiotic measures of division/team ‘productivity’
    
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  - dcoe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    It can absolutely be both. Expensive competent people are replaced with inexpensive morons all the time.
    
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  - fullsquare@awful.systems ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    it’s not ai taking your job, it’s your boss. all they need to believe is that language-shaped noise generator can make it work, doesn’t matter if it does (it doesn’t). then business either suffers greatly or hires people back (like klarna)
    
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  - DesolateMood@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    And yet AI pulls through and somehow does manage to do both
    
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Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
AI is theft in the first place. None of the current engines have gotten their training data legally. The are based on pirated books and scraped content taken from websites that explicitely forbid use of their data for training LLMs.

And all that to create mediocre parrots with dictionaries that are wrong half the time, and often enough give dangerous, even lethal advice, all while wasting power and computational resources.

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fullsquare@awful.systems ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
taking a couple steps back and looking at bigger picture, something that you might have never done in your entire life guessing by tone of your post, people want to automate things that they don’t want to do. nobody wants to make elaborate spam that will evade detection, but if you can automate it somebody will use it this way. this is why spam, ads, certain kinds of propaganda and deepfakes are one of big actual use cases of genai that likely won’t go away (isn’t future bright?)

this is tied to another point. if a thing requires some level of skill to make, then naturally there are some restraints. in pre-slopnami times, making a deepfake useful in black propaganda would require co-conspirator that has both ability to do that and correct political slant, and will shut up about it, and will have good enough opsec to not leak it unintentionally. maybe more than one. now, making sorta-convincing deepfakes requires involving less people. this also includes things like nonconsensual porn, for which there are less barriers now due to genai

then, again people automate things they don’t want to do. there are people that do like coding. then also there are people butchering codebases trying to vibecode, while they don’t want to and have no inclination for or understanding of coding and what it takes, and what should result look like. some of these people are also in a kind of managerial or corporate position of power that prevents any of people who know their shit from telling them that maybe they shouldn’t and there are professionals working under them that do know. people who don’t like coding, code. people who don’t like painting, generate images. people who don’t like understanding things, cram text through chatbots to summarize them. maybe you don’t see a problem with this, but it’s entirely a you problem

this leads to three further points. chatbots allow for low low price of selling your thoughts to saltman &co offloading all your “thinking” to them. this makes cheating in some cases exceedingly easy, something that schools have to adjust to, while destroying any ability to learn for students that use them this way. another thing is that in production chatbots are virtual dumbasses that never learn, and seniors are forced to babysit them and fix their mistakes. intern at least learns something and won’t repeat that mistake again, chatbot will fall in the same trap right when you run out of context window. this hits all major causes of burnout at once, and maybe senior will leave. then what? there’s no junior to promote in their place, because junior was replaced by a chatbot.

this all comes before noticing little things like multibillion dollar stock bubble tied to openai, or their mid-sized-euro-country sized power demands, or whatever monstrosities palantir is cooking, and a couple of others that i’m surely forgetting right now

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Is the backlash due to media narratives about AI replacing software engineers?

it’s you getting swept in outsized ad campaign for most bloated startup in history, not “backlash in media”. what you see as “backlash” is everyone else that’s not parroting openai marketing brochure

While I don’t defend them,

are you suure

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ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
My main gripes are more philosophical in nature, but should we automate away certain parts of the human experience? Should we automate art? Should we automate human connections?

On top of these, there’s also the concern of spam. AI is quick enough to flood the internet with low-effort garbage.

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- Dr_Nik@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  The industrial revolution called, they want their argument against the use of automated looms back.
  
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  - ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    The capitalists owning the AI thanking you for fighting on their side.
    
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MagicShel@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
It’s a massive new disruptive technology and people are scared of what changes it will bring. AI companies are putting out tons of propaganda both claiming AI can do anything and fear mongering that AI is going to surpass and subjugate us to back up that same narrative.

Also, there is so much focus on democratizing content creation, which it’s a best a very mixed bag, and little attention is given to collaborative uses (which I think is where AI shines) because it’s so much harder to demonstrate, and it demands critical thinking skills and underlying knowledge.

In short, everything AI is hyped as is a lie, and that’s all most people see. When you’re poking around with it, you’re most likely to just ask it to do something for you: write a paper, create a picture, whatever, and the results won’t impress anyone actually good at those things, and impress the fuck out of people who don’t know any better.

This simultaneously reinforces two things to two different groups: AI is utter garbage and AI is smarter than half the people you know and is going to take all the jobs.

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KeepFlying@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
On top of everything else people mentioned, it’s so profoundly stupid to me that AI is being pushed to take my summary of a message and turn it into an email, only for AI to then take those emails and spit out a summary again.

At that point just let me ditch the formality and send over the summary in the first place.

But more generally, I don’t have an issue with “AI” just generative AI. And I have a huge issue with it being touted as this Oracle of knowledge when it isn’t. It’s dangerous to view it that way. Right now we’re “okay” at differentiating real information from hallucinations, but so many people aren’t and it will just get worse as people get complacent and AI gets better at hiding.

Part of this is the natural evolution of techology and I’m sure the situation will improve, but it’s being pushed so hard in the meantime and making the problem worse.

The first Chat GPT models were kept private for being too dangerous, and they weren’t even as “good” as the modern ones. I wish we could go back to those days.

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- INeedMana@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  At that point just let me ditch the formality and send over the summary in the first place.
  
  A tangent a little bit but so much this. Why haven’t we normalized using fewer words already?
  Why do we keep writing (some blogs and all of content marketing) whole screens of text to convey just a sentence of real content?
  
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DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
AI companies need constantly new training data and straining open infrastructure with high volume requests. While they take everything out of others work they don’t give anything back. It’s literally asocial behaviour.

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- TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  What do you mean, they give open weights models back that anyone can use. Only the proprietary corporate AI is exploitative.
  
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  - DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Cool everyone can use the website they scraped the data from already.
    
    Also anyone can use open weights models? Even those without beefy systems? Please…
    
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FinishingDutch@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
If you don’t hate AI, you’re not informed enough.

It has the potential to disrupt pretty much everything in a negative way. Especially when regulations always lag behind. AI will be abused by corporations in the worst way possible, while also being bad for the planet.

And the people who are most excited about it, tend to be the biggest shitheads. Basically, no informed person should want AI anywhere near them unless they directly control it.

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borokov@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Dunning-Kruger effect.

Lots of people now think they can be developpers because they did a shitty half working game using vibe coding.

Would you trust a surgeon that rely on ChatGPT ? So why sould you trust LLM to develop programs ? You know that airplane, nuclear power plants, and a LOT of critical infrastructure rely on programs, right ?

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Myro@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Many people on Lemmy are extremely negative towards AI which is unfortunate. There are MANY dangers, but there are also Many obvious use cases where AI can be of help (summarizing a meeting, cleaning up any text etc.)

Yes, the wax how these models have been trained is shameful, but unfoet9tjat ship has sailed, let’s be honest.

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Boomkop3@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
It’s easy to deny it’s built on stolen content and difficult to prove. And AI companies know this, and have gotten caught stealing shitty drawings from children and buying user data that should’ve been private

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- Dojan@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  It’s honestly ridiculous too. Imagine saying that your whole business model is shooting people, and if you’re not allowed to shoot people then it’ll crash. So when accused of killing people, you go “nu uh” and hide the weapons you did it with, and the legal system is okay with that.
  
  It’s all so stupid.
  
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technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
“AI” is a pseudo-scientific grift.

Perhaps more importantly, the underlying technologies (like any technology) are already co-opted by the state, capitalism, imperialism, etc. for the purposes of violence, surveillance, control, etc.

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Eat_Your_Paisley@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Its not particularly accurate and then there’s the privacy concerns

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ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
My skepticism is because it’s kind of trash for general use. I see great promise in specialized A.I. Stuff like Deepfold or astronomy situations where the telescope data is coming in hot and it would take years for humans to go through it all.

But I don’t think it should be in everything. Google shouldn’t be sticking LLM summaries at the top. It hallucinates so I need to check the veracity anyway. In medicine, it can help double-check but it can’t be the doctor. It’s just not there yet and might never get there. Progress has kind of stalled.

So, I don’t “hate” any technology. I hate when people misapply it. To me, it’s (at best) beta software and should not be in production anywhere important. If you want to use it for summarizing Scooby Doo episodes, fine. But it shouldn’t be part of anything we rely on yet.

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- ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Also, it should never be used for art. I don’t care if you need to make a logo for a company and A.I. spits out whatever. But real art is about humans expressing something. We don’t value cave paintings because they’re perfect. We value them because someone thousands of years ago made it.
  
  So, that’s something I hate about it. People think it can “democratize” art. Art is already democratized. I have a child’s drawing on my fridge that means more to me than anything at any museum. The beauty of some things is not that it was generated. It’s that someone cared enough to try. I’d rather a misspelled crayon card from my niece than some shit ChatGPT generated.
  
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  - petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Yeah, “democratize art” means “I’m jealous of the cash sloshing around out there.”
    
    People say things like “I’m not as good as this guy on TikTok.” Why do you need to be? Literally, who asked?
    
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IsaamoonKHGDT_6143@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
As several have already explained their questions, I will clarify some points.

Not all countries consider AI training using copyrighted material as theft. For example, Japan has allowed AI to be trained with copyrighted material since 2019, and it’s strange because that country is known for its strict laws in that regard.

Also, saying that AI can’t or won’t harm society sells. Although I don’t deny the consequences of this technology. But it will only be effective if AI doesn’t get better, because then it could be counterproductive.

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Engywuck@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Karma farming, as everything on any social network, be it centralized or decentralized. I’m not exactly enthusiastic about AI, but I can tell it has its use case (with caution).

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roserose56@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Because so far we only see the negative impacts in human society IMO. Latest news haven’t help at all, not to mention how USA is moving towards AI. Every positive of AI, leads to be used in a workplace, which then will most likely lead to lay offs. I may start to think that Finch in POI, was right all along.

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