“He’s telling us not to use it, and then he’s using it himself,”
Yeah it sucks but there is zero chance this argument holds any weight in court.
Student Demands Tuition Refund After Catching Professor Using ChatGPT - Slashdot
Submitted 1 day ago by Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
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11111one11111@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 hours ago
Yeah, I had teachers change the rubric on the day of the final and even after and the deans at UCSB didnt care at all. Teachers can do just about anything under the guise of education…
mhague@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
“He’s telling us not to use it, and then he’s using it himself”
Just because the teacher might have screwed up doesn’t change that experts in a subject can assess LLM output, while a student who knows jack shit about the topic can’t. Just because the teacher messed up and let ai weirdness degrade the quality of education in the eyes of students, doesn’t mean just anyone can use chatgpt to generate college courses.
I read the original article but not the interview. I wonder how much communication there was about the work before the student decided they deserved a refund.
arafatknee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 hours ago
LLMs should augment your skills not substitute them. That’s just laziness or incompetence.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Agreed.
I’d be pissed too. This is sloppy as hell.
Loduz_247@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If I see a representative or senator using ChatGPT, could I demand that he resign from his position?
TheGoldenGod@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You could, but you would be pissing in the wind asking.
lefixxx@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Why do people not review their LLMs output?
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 20 hours ago
Well of course I do.
…Gemini, review this ChatGPT paragraph
vivendi@programming.dev 19 hours ago
This is unironically a technique for catching LLM errors and also for speeding up generation.
For example in speculative decoding or mixture of experts architectures these kind of setups are used.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
As long as the materials are accurate and serve as an effective teaching aid, where’s the case?
It would be different if the sum total of course materials were wikipedia articles presented by a non expert, but the professor IS an expert. Sure, anyone can use genAI, BUT not anyone can write a relevant, targeted prompt and check the accuracy of the output. This is of course assuming the professor is generating (or at least vetting) materials for accuracy.
IF it turns out the student can find a pattern of inaccurate content there is a case. Otherwise there’s nothing: it would be like arguing that a TA made the materials (or the lecture materials came from a book written by SOMEONE ELSE gasp) and the professor presented them so the class is invalid.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Exactly. Nobody should care how the professor generates materials for the class, they should only care that the materials are effective and accurate. That’s the professor’s job, and they should be free to use whatever tools they find helpful in producing effective, accurate materials.
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I had professor usi g worksheets watermarked by another professor at a college in another state, y’all think anything came of it? He also gave us all the answers to the tests in the form of self graded quizes and let us take them into tests.
HS diplomas became a joke, degrees are becoming a joke…
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 23 hours ago
As someone who was a TA a bit, I think that is 99% because if schools tried to hold students accountable to the standards of even ten years ago they would have to fail 2/3rds of their students.
Highschool becoming a joke means none of the kids have strong enough core skills to be tackling real college work by the time they get there, but schools cant afford to enforce actual quality standards for work. The graded model has completely fallen apart at this point given how steep the curve is. The quality of work that gets an A today would have been a B or high C from 10-15 years ago
Alaik@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
You say that but I’ve had two classes this semester with an 70%+ fail rate. One of them probably needs addressed in the sense the professor was ass, but one was just straight up hard. They gave no fucks about failing over half the class. The pre-req for that class also had a 60% failure rate (based on who I see repeating it).
I don’t doubt some universities are degree mills, and ASU has always been known as a party school, but I assure you it’s not as widespread as some would believe based on my experiences at 3 universities.
That being said, the quality of student certainly seems to have dropped.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
Was your grade exclusively based on the tests and quizzes? That’s the only part that’s questionable here.
Every prof need not write their own unique materials, rather they need to teach you the target material using whatever resources best suit that purpose.
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Most of the grade was on the tests, I think 70% then like 30% on the “Lab” portion…which was basically attedance and if you turned something in, he didn’t check for accuracy. One of the worst professor at this college.
Pheonixdown@lemm.ee 1 day ago
I’m currently doing an online Master’s with Northeastern. Honestly not surprised this happened, the quality of classes is WILD.
Taking 2 classes per term, and each term so far 1 class has been very well designed but also insanely easy, while the other has been so poorly implemented that the course learning materials don’t actually help you do the coursework.
Probably most astonishing so far though is a course I’m taking now just served me with the literally exact same assignment that I did for a course I just finished. Now, granted that both classes are from the elective course choices, so not everyone will take both, but come on… and they grill me about plagiarism with every submission I make…
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I reuse assignments between similar classes, because maybe those classes share a learning objective andbthat assignment is just gangbusters.
In cases where students take both (which, we actively discourage because of the similarity of courses), I have my team require the students, for example, use a different person as their subjects for the two assignments.
Pheonixdown@lemm.ee 8 hours ago
This assignment is literally a fill in the blanks to complete a set of code to make it produce values expected by the assignment.
taxon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
For fucks sake people, it’s not hard. AI can be useful to generate drafts or give suggestions, but ultimately everything has to be tweaked/written by an actual human expert. AI is a tool, not a product. If something isn’t edited enough to have no trace of AI signature left, then you’re being lazy and putting out garbage.
Jhex@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
it’s “hard” because every peddler of AI is pushing it exactly in the way you say, and I agree, is wrong
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 hours ago
This is it exactly. I use ChatGPT to double check things when I’m second guessing myself and I use it to make assignments.
Almost everytime, I need to tweak things but it turns 40 minutes of work into 5-10 minutes.
blazeknave@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I think there’s a sweet spot you can hit, but sometimes I fight with it so long to get what I want, that by them, copy paste whatever is good enough… To be fair, I’m not an educator
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 22 hours ago
Time after time, I see people who should know better fail at basic things like this.
Even I don’t get called out for AI-written responses, even though a big number of my messages here are technically written by AI. The key difference is that I actually take the time to write a first draft of what I want to say, then run it through ChatGPT to help clean up my word salad - and finally, I go over the output again to make it sound like me. The thinking is mine. AI just helps me communicate more clearly.
I’d never ask it to write an entire response from scratch without providing structure or points I want to make. All I want is for the person reading my message to understand what I’m actually trying to say - so they can respond to that, not to a misinterpretation of what I was trying to say.
I’ll just leave that first draft here to illustrate my point:
Deebster@infosec.pub 5 hours ago
This is a great use of AI and it’s caught some small errors like the wrong its (which is one I find distracting when reading). The editing is light enough that it’s still your voice, just with extra punctuation and fewer typos.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
“no trace” isn’t a necessary bar. You can learn business theory from a presentation including a 3 armed gargoyle without loss of information. Materials just need to be checked to be factual, which this seems to meet.
Mr Business Professor is probably one of the highest paid instructors in the college and hos time is NOT well spent cruising the internet for PowerPoint images or formatting lecture materials.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
Sooner or later I’ll learn to caveat my AI comments to make clear I’m only talking about LLM/text-gen. I don’t personally care about image-gen. It’s garbage, but to quote Star Wars, sometimes “the garbage will do.”
Alaik@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
Somewhat unrelated but I’ve never understood why business professors make so much more than others. I get their logic of basing it off what they could be paid private side but business degrees tend to skew things due to how overpaid CEOs of larger corporations are.
I know at the university nearby the difference between someone with a phd in business admin versus genetics is… vast, to say the least.