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Submitted 10 months ago by siren@feddit.dk to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 10 months ago
illi@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Great many of them stuck around. They are just not quite the same as they once were
LambdaRX@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
What would “natural” language look like?
capuccino@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I think in something physical, not like signs language but something like face expressions, corporal movement like breath fast
cattywampas@lemm.ee 10 months ago
It would look like the languages we have today.
ALoafOfBread@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Like the one’s ppl in this thread say are “made-up” (english, french, mandarin, etc). Sure they’re “made-up” over thousands of years evolving from other spoken languages in a sort of… natural way. As opposed to Dothraki which was made by one dude in a few years for a show.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world 10 months ago
10$ more at the co-op
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That is an organic language, natural is only an extra dollar…
sxan@midwest.social 10 months ago
Good thought.
The conlang community calls them “Constructed Languages”, to attempt to clarify that an individual (usually) built it out of nothing.
Pedantically, all human languages were constructed by humans, but that’s one of those unhelpful distinctions that don’t help people talk about the topic. Clearly, Esperanto, Iso, Volpuc, Klingon, Elvish, and Lojban are in a different category than French, English, Russian, and Korean. The later are evolved with rules derived from common usage of native speakers; the former are constructed from rules and are no-one’s native language.
Conlang and Natural language are just terms to distinguish between them.
lordnikon@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This is what I find fascinating Esperanto was constructed ment to unify all the major western languages but English became the standard and in a way English was built organically in the same way as Esperanto. As it pulls from other languages to use in its language all the time.
deur@feddit.nl 10 months ago
English is not “constructed” nor does its development to the point reflect high levels of intent like someone sitting down and deciding they decide what the best language is.
Stovetop@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s more a reflection of global power. Before English had that standard in Europe, it was French. We still describe such languages as a “lingua franca” even in contexts where that lingua isn’t franca anymore.
Esperanto isn’t anyone’s native language by design, but it meant that there was no major global power which necessitated its use.
sxan@midwest.social 10 months ago
And long before that, pidgin Latin was the lingua franca in the west. After that and before WWI, the French were trying really hard to make French the common language Western international language.
Us Americans should be pushing for adoption of Esperanto. We’ve benefited from it because of our economic dominance, but as our empire crumbles, there is a very real chance that the lingua franca will change. We may find ourselves forced to learn Mandari or Hindi to participate in the global economy; it would behoove us to use our waning dominance to push for adoption of an easy, regular language. If the language doesn’t give an advantage to one power group, it has a better chance of surviving global power shifts. The best global language is one which is everyone’s second language: it levels the playing field.
One day, Americans are going to find themselves at the bottom of that hill. We’d be smarter you flatten it as much as possible before that happens.
Stovetop@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I think it’s unfair to say that the US is what dictates the direction and usage of the English language. It contributed, maybe, but it’s not because of the US that English is so widely-spoken in the first place. We have Britain to thank for that.
If the US ever adopts a second language to use for trade, it will be Spanish, just by virtue of who its neighbors are and how many native Spanish speakers live in the US already.
Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Except for Esperanto has adequate rules and English is just a burning dumpster of shit-oil mix.
BassTurd@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’ve learned some Spanish and French, conversational in neither, but I know enough to understand how the languages are constructed and I have a decent enough vocab to feel like I’ve experienced the languages. French is just as dumb as English and worse in some places and Spanish is definitely an easier language to learn and construct sentences in.
cattywampas@lemm.ee 10 months ago
People act like English is the only language that has borrowed vocabulary or inconsistent conjugation and pronunciation, when a lot of languages are just the same.
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 10 months ago
Thank you for your eloquence.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I think it’s like one person writing something down vs a bunch of people using a Ouija board.