How do you handle absolutely critical alerts on your Android phone?

Submitted ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ikidd@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨selfhosted@lemmy.world⁩

I currently do a lot of my monitoring via MQTT for my solar system etc. I currently use MQTT Alert and set up my alerts to ring my phone at top volume until silenced. But I have missed more than one alert because I don’t think the background agent is always active and it doesn’t necessarily start when I reboot the phone. While the application does “monitor” the MQTT connection, it only makes a short sound if it drops, with no followup until you notice that there was a notification and go back into it to figure out why the connection is down.

Does anyone have foolproof way of getting things like security alerts that will always trigger on the phone, without having to check the phone 10 times a day to be sure the application is on and the connection is active?

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SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
And uhhh which solar system would that be, exactly?

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- HelloRoot@lemy.lol ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The one we are currently in I assume.
  
  Proxima Centauri is pretty weird with it’s three suns, who would set up alerrs for that?
  
  /s
  
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  - AbidanYre@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The latency on those alerts is a problem.
    
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  - Zeoic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    There is only one Solar system, the star system of Sol. Proxima Centauri is part of a star system
    
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- ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  This is my summer solar system. I like to winter in the Antares.
  
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- sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I don’t get it either
  
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  - AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Think galaxy not panels.
    
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KaninchenSpeed@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’ve experimented with ntfy, it works pretty well and is selfhostable. I don’t know if it natively support mqtt though.

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- ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I can get notification to ntfy, but I’m not sure if the app is certain to blow my phone up until I notice it, which is my goal. Frankly, if I could trigger the Presidential Alert, I would do that.
  
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- Deebster@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I went with ntfy as well - you can set the different levels to alert in different ways and my max priority it set to always ring even if the phone is on silent. Mostly I use max prio as a find-my-phone tool, but there are real alerts that would use it.
  
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  - WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    off topic but do you know about this app for find my phone purposes?
    
    f-droid.org/packages/de.nulide.findmydevice
    
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TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I just get alerts over telegram. They’re just regular notifications, but you could probably set specific notification behavior and sounds for the app?

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- Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Sometimes it’s a decision between reliability and selfhosted
  
  This is an excellent point to keep in mind.
  
  Using something like Telegram for notifications/alerts exposes a minimal amount of info/metadata.
  
  XMPP could be a useful alternative, since there are numerous hosts/providers available, and it’s a privacy minded community.
  
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paf@jlai.lu ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m using home assistant, with mqtt which acts for many things and I get notification in different way depending the needs. Could be home assistant app or telegram or lighting up some light or sending voice messages to a speaker. All notifications are triggered by automations looking at states. Haven’t done it but automation could be re launched automatically until (for exemple) I press a button or responding to telegram message

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Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Why/how did you miss the notification? Seems like a good place to start.

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- ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The application isn’t 100% likely to stay active in the background it seems. I tried to program one myself but there’s a lot of bullshit going on in background apps in Android that I’m not familiar enough with to trust that I can do any better.
  
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  - Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Okay so you didn’t miss the notification, you didn’t receive it at all?
    
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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If you turn off the battery optimization setting, does it get better?

I was missing a bunch of alerts for Signal because I downloaded it outside the GPlay store (which handles waking up processes better), and I got much more reliable notifications after disabling that setting. It uses a lot more battery though, but maybe that’s worth it for you.

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- Lucki@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  dontkillmyapp.com
  
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  - sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Mine is a Pixel running GrapheneOS, and it doesn’t seem to be on your list. My issue is that I’m not using Google Play Services, so I don’t get the benefits that it provides, one of which is managing notifications. So Signal has to manage notifications itself, which means it basically needs to always be running instead of the more typical Android model of being woken up when there’s a notification.
    
    Or maybe it’s what you linked. Either way, I’d check that and see if it’s an easy fix.
    
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- WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I use molly’s unifiedpush edition, with ntfy, and that works for me. ntfy never crashed on me yet.
  
  also, it’s not signal that handles waking up, but firebase when you get it from the google store, none I think if you install the apk, and unifiedpush if you get molly unifiedpush edition
  
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daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I selfhost a matrix instance just for myself and my bots. And send myself notifications to the phone client element. I can even trigger a fake VoIP phone call for really important stuff.

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- lemonuri@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Matrix seems a bit overkill. I think they would be better off with something like gotify.
  
  Take a look at dontkillmyapp.com to see if your phone provider hinders your messages.
  
  There is unified push as Google alternative as well, which works with the schildichat matrix client.
  
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Matty_r@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I have some alerts like that using Pushover. You can set it to treat high priority alerts like an alarm which bypasses things like do not disturb and silence etc

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poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
XMPP is best for that IMHO.

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y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

for my solar system etc.

Of course I didn’t just search “self hosted solar system” only to be disappointed it wasn’t about planets lol that would be ridiculous.

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catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If it’s absolutely critical, I would set something up to call you continuously until the alert is acknowledged.

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- ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Any suggestions for services that do that? I like the idea, I’d actually get a few different phones to ring if some of the alarms were to get triggered.
  
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  - WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    ntfy can do that too
    
    docs.ntfy.sh/publish/#phone-calls
    
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- Cobrachicken@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Here’s some information on using a bradband modem, further down on sending SMS and stuff with it, maybe this helps: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mobile_broadband_modem
  
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GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I use the SlayerWaspKC method.

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B0rax@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I use Pushsafer for this purpose

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Lem453@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Gotify along with an external email service. I get each notification twice, immediately

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- Cyber@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Hmm… I’m using gotify with a Ras Pi to send the alerts and I sometimes get long delays…
  
  AFAICT it’s the phone, not the Pi, but all I can see are lots of websocket errors in the gotify client the time… are you not getting those then?
  
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  - Lem453@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Mine works instantly on a pixel 8. There is a notification that is always active for the gotify app. I believe an always on notification is required for instant pushing with non google apps. Maybe you haven’t enabled it in the settings somewhere?
    
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