Submitted 3 weeks ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
https://www.ft.com/content/44a7927b-66d7-4321-8425-08ed162a3994
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Why would young Americans believe in this system? Trump has thwarted any attempt at justice against him through corruption. The Fox News system is a propaganda machine with barriers to their lying.
I was gonna say that at least the government isn’t rounding them up and shooting them like they did at Penn State but it currently isn’t looking a crazy amount better right now honestly…
This is like the third collection of graphs that are all the same size but use different scales in the past ~2 weeks. Slightly annoying.
It’s hard to tell with the graph, but the big drop off seems to be around 2016/Trump.
has to be similar for anyone below boomer age
Really? The majority of young male voters voted Trump. They voted for dogshit and got it, why are they acting like thats not what happened?
What does that have to do with it? The data says young people are unhappy, it doesn’t say they are unhappy about the same things. You’re not considering that other people have differing viewpoints than you. I’m sure for Trump voters, the unhappiness is, from their viewpoint, caused by things “the left” is doing. They aren’t unhappy about things he’s been doing.
And while liberals and especially leftists might be unhappy with the government now, conservatives have been unhappy with the general move towards progressive policies for decades. They distrusted the government for much longer than Trump has been president, and they don’t see him or his stooges as being a part of that government either.
If they’re young then they’re probably not politically active past the last two election cycles. My point is that people got what they voted for, to not trust in the system that gives them exactly what they chose is silly if nothing else.
If young people are “losing hope in the state” but happy with Trump, COVID fucked up their brains and development fucking completely
To be fair, Kamala’s “outreach” to young men can be summed up by “vote for the women you know”.
Believe it or not, arguing “vote on some else’s behalf” isn’t a winning strategy.
I’ve said this before, or tried to.
Official Democratic party policy is pro-business, pro-stock market, pro Nancy Pelosi’s portfolio. In the parallel universe where Kamala won, inflation and slowly tightening corporate policies are slowly pressing Americans to death, we’re not in a bullshit trade war with Canada, exactly the same number of Palestinians are being killed, absolutely nothing is being done to address healthcare, reproductive rights, gun crime, poverty, disease, the environment, net neutrality or basically anything of that nature.
Official Democratic party messaging is “At least we’re not the Republicans.” Which means less and less as time goes on. They’ve got no progressive policies. No one in this nation I think is rabidly pro-Democrat. There are a few that are rabidly anti-Republican.
How many times have I seen this conversation play out: “The Democrats need to reach out to moderate Republicans.” “NO, they need to move to the left!” No, the Democrats need to reach out to the majority of Americans. Which is going to mean actually appealing to men. Which they currently DO. NOT.
People voted Trump in 2016 because of the same mistrust of the government. They probably keep the narrative.
When the insurrection happened all I could think was “I dont disagree with insurrection i disagree that they’re doing it for mango mussolini”
just remembered it’s been long enough since 9/11 and the resulting war that young people were trusting the government again. cool
It always blew my mind when this kid ten years younger than me was cheering about Obama killing bin Laden without producing a body, no arrest or trial… When I pushed him about it he accused me of lacking patriotism.
Because fucking corpos, lobbyists, and passive goons are make trusting anything pointless.
The DNC passed laws to remove money from politics, Republican SCOTUS judges tore it down in Citizens United, and they’ve lacked the power to make a constitutional amendment or reform the court ever since but they’re always talking about it.
If people didn’t trust money in politics it would be in their best interests to elect 60 DNC senators.
They’ve had complete control of the government multiple times in the last decade or so, and they failed to do anything with it. Democrats only talk about reform when they aren’t in power. When they’re wearing the boot, they’re fine with stepping on people and demanding they lick it.
John McCain is more responsible for the bill that gave us Citizens United than the DNC (which doesn’t draft legislation, they’re just bribe launderers fundraisers for pro-corporate/pro-Israel lobbies). they’re also responsible for crafting the immensely unpopular platform, such as killing single payer healthcare , a half senile Biden campaign, sabotaged the progressives and Bernie (twice), and gave us fucktards Schumer and Pelosi who are among the most ineffectual hated politicians in America.
please stop trolling this “vote for DNC to defeat fascism” nonsense. THEY HAD 8 YEARS TO PREPARE A TACTICAL RESPONSE TO TRUMPISM AND YET HERE WE ARE.
The democrats have proven that they are either unwilling or unable to defend the workers, we must replace the system in its entirely. Liberal democracy must be replaced with workers and the old system of capitalism must be destroyed.
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After half a century of typical right wing “gubment bad” propaganda meant to dismantle democracy piece by piece I’m not surprised.
Idiots literally voted for a felon.
I wonder how this could happen?
Lol shouldn’t have voted for trump I guess
Should have voted for the better choice. Remember people over more and power.
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Did any hard working American adult ever have any significant amount of trust in the state??? Have you seen it?? 😂
About time.
PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Exactly as planned by the new admin.
Dissolve gov trust, install corporations and christofascists.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Young people are also turning away from corporations as well. I have so many people in my collective that outside of oil products and housing we manly provide each other with many services that the government used to handle or corporations made too expensive. It’s not perfect, but damn does it save us all a lot of money.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t trust them eitber
arrow74@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I trust them less
PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Part of the problem with your sentence is the implied “I don’t trust the government at all” mentality, which is just as ill-informed as saying “I completely trust the government”.
It’s how conspiracies flourish.
Literally, all you have to do to distill down any conspiracy is to say, “I don’t trust the government, therefore…” and you can start filling in the blanks.
Trust law? FCC? Roads? Plumbing? Water treatment? Work safety? The weather? Phones? Batteries? Etc
Are they perfect? Fuck no. But government regulations have helped save so many lives and improved many more. And yes, it needs further improvements.
But to gut it to the point of complete distrust and Indiana Jones-ing the idol for a bag of sand, is just gonna get you a giant fucking boulder that crushes everything in its path.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not just distrust, but also uncool. Could you imagine trying as hard as you’d need to try, just to have Matt Gaetz be one of your co-workers? Public service has never been less attractive, and we have never more badly needed senators with actual souls.
Fandangalo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you convince one side that the government is evil and needs to be small, while your government is in fact evil and large, both sides will want to change the system.
This is the culmination of the Republicans thirst for power over morals & Putin’s desire for the USSR’s revenge and coming into world power. We all know both governments (Russia & USA) commit funds to propaganda and psychological warfare. Americans have enjoyed a lot the last 40-60 years. Russia was the USSR in many people’s living lifetimes.
Someone got into bed with Russian mafia, lost a shit ton of money and bankrupted business, and their business acumen was so bad that they needed to make a shady deal to pay off debts, Russia responded with, “How about we make you President? If you help us, the debts are gone.”
Meanwhile, it’s been over a decade of Trump’s influence. “Alternative facts” was like week 1 of the first term. People barely remember that or the blank pages that were all for show. It’s turns out that humans love novelty, and chaos is a ladder, that if you flood the zone with enough lies, you can make whatever truth you want. A lie goes around the world in an hour while the truth puts its shoes on.
Liberals in the US are disorganized and so fractured by a desire for originality that they forgot how to organize. People are tired of fighting. There’s little pay for the common person. Wealth distribution isn’t even fathomable.
There’s 260 working days in a year. If you made $400k/working days for 2025 years (between now & Christ as the right liked to say), you wouldn’t have enough money to beat Bezos’ holdings.
The everyday person? At the median salary, you’d have to make that trip 3,145 times.
You’d have to work $37k, for 260 days a year, 2025 Christtimes, 3,145 times.
We’re too busy fighting each other to even process how broken the wealth gap is. Once you put it in human terms, I don’t see how any moral person could allow that to exist. When we have the crisis of the unhoused, the crisis of violence, the crisis of food and education.
Christ asks people in Matthew 25:32
I’m a liberal. I’m non-binary. I’m very thankful for my life. I know I haven’t treated my own family the best. We’ve been fighting over all this bullshit…
I don’t want any harm to anyone, but how can you say you follow Jesus, or Buddha, or Laozi, or the Earth Spirit, “This wealth is okay.” No religion supports it.
Anyway, I have to believe we’ll get through this. My faith is in humanity. I wish we’d recognize ourselves as one species.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
And the survey doesn’t even take this recent shit into account, soon literally nobody will trust the government