See that bandwagon over there, I am going to jump on it.
But everyone already is on it.
Merde.
French President Emmanuel Macron announces €100 billion investments in AI
Submitted 2 months ago by Eyekaytee@aussie.zone to technology@lemmy.world
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seven_phone@lemmy.world 2 months ago
heavydust@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
My taxes at work to fund shitty generators. People around me will cheer for this since they are not working in the programming industry and don’t know how it’s yet another way to lower the quality of all that we’ve done so far. We’re fucked.
mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Investors will pump 109 billion euros into artificial intelligence (AI) projects in France in the coming years,
It will be private investment, venture capitalists, that provide the money and extract the data and wealth. All Macron is doing is giving it the official seal of approval from the government. He might relax some rules and make it easier to invest but your tax Euros are safe.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 months ago
People around me will cheer for this since they are not working in the programming industry
I don’t know how you can say this when programming is one of the best uses for AI
jonne@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Eh, copilot is still more miss than hit whenever I use it. It’s probably equally dogshit for other uses as well unless your goal is to just generate bullshit.
independantiste@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Heh for me even the newest models like the new Claude are only really useful when I did the thinking and the initial code writing, and i ask it to simplify it or to make it use more efficient libraries/features. Because when asking it to do my work it produces shit, and im very junior level
Enoril@jlai.lu 2 months ago
Sorry but no.
It’s good when what you are trying to do has been done in the past by thousand of people (thanks to the free training data). But it’s really bad for new use case. After all it’s a glorified and expensive auto-complete tool trained on code they parsed. It’s not magic, it’s math.
But you don’t get intelligence, creativity from these tools. It’s math! Math is the least creative domain on earth. Since when being a programmer is just typing portion of code from boilerplate / examples from internet?
It’s the logical thinking, taking into account all the parameters and constraints, breaking problems into piece of code, checking it, testing it, deploying it, supporting it.
Ok, programming goal is to solve a problem. But usually not all the parameters of the problem can be reduced to its mathematical form.
IA are far from being able to do that and the ratio gain/cost is not proven at all. These companies are so committed to AI (in term of money invested) that THEY MUST make you use their AI, whatever it’s quality. They even use a marketing term to hide their product bad answer: hallucinations. Hallucination is just a fancy word to not say: totally wrong.
Do you find normal to buy a solution that never produces 100% good results (more around 20% of failure)?
In my industry, this IA trend (pushed mainly from managers not knowing what really is programming and of course “AI”) generate a lot of bad quality code from our junior devs. And it’s not something i want to push in production.
In fact, a lot of PoC around ML never goes from the R&D phase to the real production. It’s too risky for the business (as human life could be impacted).
heavydust@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Every time I try to use it it hallucinates bugs. It’s a waste of time for me.
qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Will this be done through funding colleges and universities, doctorates and other publicly funded projects and initiatives?
If so, good. AI might be a good tool, after a long, curated, legally directed and supervised, period of investigation, to create safe tools for public use.
If not, and this money is to be thrown out to private companies, with little to no oversight, it is pure waste of resources, badly needed to fund other social sectors.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 months ago
Looks like it is comparable to the US Stargate announcement, the money is coming from private companies and going into private investment, which is amazing, I regret not including this in the original post:
Meanwhile, the French financing will include commitments from the United Arab Emirates, American and Canadian investments funds and French companies like telecommunications firms Iliad and Orange, and aerospace and defense group Thales
A few days before France’s AI Action Summit, which kicked off on Monday, the UAE said it would invest between 30 billion euros and 50 billion euros in the construction of a one-gigawatt AI data center in France as part of a campus focused on the technology’s development.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 months ago
Macron, you stupid slut, there’s been nothing but news for the past month about how cheap you build a competitor to the former top models.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 months ago
there’s nothing to suggest that building a cheaper model that’s not as good as the top AI models is the best way to build AI models, cheaper yes, but Deepseek isn’t the best AI model out there
A better way would be to combine the Deepseek training optimisations with raw power of Americas/nvidias hardware
We’re still at an early stage with AI, there’s nothing to suggest we’re anywhere near the end of Jevons paradox
JustJack23@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Are you blind? There are so many things suggesting AI is a past thing already.
Most importantly there is no good use for it.
Just like Bitcoin all companies are trying to shoehorn it in shit products and making them shittier.
Eu should not built AI but try to regulate it and protect the environment from it.
obbeel@lemmy.eco.br 2 months ago
Sometimes Claude Haiku (which has few billion parameters) knows things that ChatGPT doesn’t.
the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Deepseak did show it could be done cheaply but imagine if you could take their optimisations and throw more power behind it (ie: buy a fuck tone of GPUs that the Chinese dont officially have access to)
Could work, the EU should pursue AI independence else it will continue its slide into irrelevance. Glad France is stepping up to the plate on this
vsis@feddit.cl 2 months ago
Investing money in ways to lower the retirement age, or at least stopping it to get higher.
Or give money to nvidia.
The choice is clear for this great leader.
realharo@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Labor automation kind of is a way to lower the retirement age.
Of course how you use it is a matter of politics.
RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Cool…cool… can’t wait to ask the 100 billion euro ai to write me a funny… Now do a 100 billion to fight against climate change please 💔
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Serious question and not trying to be funny, but how is AI going to solve climate change? We already know the answer, but the world is too greedy to do anything about it. As a matter of fact, AI will worsen climate change since more power is needed for it to write couple of sentences.
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think you misread their comment, they’re asking for a separate €100 billion in climate spending.
killingspark@feddit.org 2 months ago
Or just 10 billion into the school system? Please? Anything?
ekZepp@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m not a big fan of Macron, but in all honesty, “the genie’s out of the bottle” and we need some way to protect ourselves from “foreign AI” influences.
As long as European countries stay true to their guidelines, this should just be considered a necessary move.
riodoro1@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This world is hella fucking retarded
iii@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Ah yes, politics as a driving force for technological innovation. This time it’ll work. 😒
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 months ago
I think the saddest thing here is that Europe has no capital markets union where it’s own private companies should be putting this money in
Europe will always be behind while it’s more difficult to raise funds and do business
This AI is just the latest thing, who knows what else Europe will soon fall behind in
iii@mander.xyz 2 months ago
That, I think, is a symptom not a cause.
The cause is societal: the EU thinks that innovation should come top down. By giving established corporations subsidies, and a large administration that steers them every step of the way. To make sure they do nothing out of the ordinary.
That works if you want to improve car crash safety by 5%. But, ofcourse, that doesn’t work for true, novel ideas.
And it’s not solely a “bad politicians” problem. A majority of Europeans are simply afraid of change, want their 9-to-5 job to look exactly the same for their whole life. The elected reflect their electorate.
Too bad the world changes regardless of you participating.
Mihies@programming.dev 2 months ago
And on what EU hardware it will run?
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 months ago
In the AI FACTORIES!
digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/…/ai-factories
~In terms of actual chips probably nvidia~
Mihies@programming.dev 2 months ago
Yep, and that’s a biggly problem. If EU AI becomes a threat (or perceived threat) to US economic and other interests (and especially when orange is in charge), they would slap tariffs at those at least. If not forbid export.
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ah, so this is why they can’t afford the old, more generous pensions? Got it.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 months ago
Then they can ask the chatbot how to get the country out of debt.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 months ago
Believe it or not this is part of it, can’t make money to pay down debt if no one wants your stuff and you’re years behind everyone else
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh FFS.