Submitted 1 year ago by IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world to fediverse@lemmy.world
I have seen many comments saying that lemmy.world sucks, and sh.itjust.works is good. I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances. Why? After a quick look, sh.itjust.works doesn’t look much different to me. Can anyone explain?
shit has the same or better level of infrastructure for a smaller user base
sh.itjust.works has a much funnier name.
can’t argue with that!
The two main reasons people attack LW is:
people who criticise it because it is by far the largest instance, and thereby means lemmy is as decentralised as it could be, I think this is a fair point, because it has caused federation issues with for example aussie.zone in the past.
Tankies who get mad the average lemmy.world user does not share their admiration for China, Russia, North Korea, Stalin, and Mao.
I’ll add 2 more that resonate with me:
Fwiw, LW seems ready to defederate from Threads at a moment's notice (post), but atm it doesn't matter since Threads isn't federating with Lemmy anyway.
Though it's still an excellent point to wonder why they haven't done it preemptively, like pretty much every other instance I've heard of (even lemm.ee's [blocked instance list[(https://lemm.ee/instances) that is shockingly short has that one). Perhaps bc the decision to defederate from *any* instance, and especially that one, has generated such negative feedback (as the post linked above mentions), they are hesitant to do anything at all, especially again while it does not matter right now.
I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances.
It’s the largest by far, with five times the monthly active population of #2. One of the main things people want out of federated systems is decentralization, and having one huge dominant server goes against that goal.
I should note .world wasn’t the biggest when I signed up. I picked it because mastodon.world was a known quantity, which led me to believe the same team would run a stable server.
So far my experience with sh.itjust.works has been shit. I was banned from a community there for “vibes”.
Most servers don’t micromanage community moderation. That sort of thing could happen almost anywhere.
Basically none. Both are mainstream instances, not practicing any extreme moderation policy.
You might have confused lemmy.world with lemmy.ml which does have some communities with bad reputation.
I have accounts on both. Sh.itjust.works has a piracy community that .world blocks and is still federated with Hexbear for some reason. .world has old.lemmy.world if you liked the old reddit UI.
Otherwise, not that different.
Lemmy.dbzer0.com has the best piracy community :D
Damn. I was considering making a sjw account to see if the better performance claims are true but hexbear is a dealbreaker. Never going back to that crazy cult site. I know I could block it but they’d still see my posts and comments.
Also note that "blocking" it doesn't actually "block" much of anything at all - it stops you from seeing the communities located on that instance, but the users will still appear in posts all across the Fediverse, sending their harassing messages to you, pinging your Notifications every time they reply to you, downvoting your own comments, etc. The instance block function is horribly misnamed.
If you want to avoid this kind of thing, I second that recommendation to try Lemmy.cafe - it is the only Lemmy instance that defederates from the Big 3: hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, and Lemmy.ml. The latter one is like 1000x easier to deal with than hexbear, yet still nearly *all* of the most batshit insane comments I've received on Lemmy after defederating from the other two have come from it - and for similar reasons that they get used to how things work inside their echo chamber, and then behave the same way when they venture outside of it - so I consider having defederated from it too worthwhile overall. Although you will miss out on some content such as !Firefox@lemmy.ml that way.
You just wanted a pepsi! And they wouldn’t give it to you!
Many libs, racists, and bigots on both
Thanks for adding yourself to my block list :)
A pleasure.
Here’s the description by both:
sh.itjust.works:
A bilingual (EN/FR) general-purpose instance located in eastern Canada! Powered by 99% renewable energy! Everyone is welcome eh.
Lemmy.World:
A generic Lemmy server for everyone to use. (…) Lemmy.World is a general-purpose Lemmy instance of various topics, for the entire world to use
The comments about instances being “good” or “bad” is just plain ol’ tribalism.
Users get attacked for the instances they registered to, even if they were unaware of instance politics when they actually registered. That sucks!
Lemmy world has more users and therefore more likely to have more jerks when the jerk to not jerk ratio within an instance is the same.
There are a few instances where staying with their registration is worthy of assuming the worst about them.
Stop calling jerks jerks, you’re being a jerk! /s
The extra jerks on Lemmy world create more content so the mean jerk time is greater
I agree with you. IMO, it’s not that different.
The big difference is between the tankie LARPer instances (lemmygrad, hexbear, parts of lemmy.ml) and the rest of the major instances.
As a socialist, you will understand I’m sure that constant being slurred with “tANkiE” from mostly .world users is very tiring
It’s fair to call people who white-wash authoritarianism, genocide and roleplay as communists tankies.
It’s the literal definition of the word.
There’s a huge difference between a tankie and a socialist:
There’s a difference between being a socialist, and blindly defending authoritarian regimes that claim they are socialist. Those instances earned their reputation for a reason.
They are just two different servers. Lemmy.World is one of the really big ones. I had an account there but because of the size there were a lot of performance issues. I would recommend you join one of the smaller servers like sh.itjust.works. You have access to almost all the same information on the Fediverse.
You’ll miss out on the Beehaw community on Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, since Beehaw defederated from them
Lemmy.cafe is a nice general purpose instance that only defederates from the most extreme instances, while still giving access to Beehaw and all other instances. It’s still small too, so it’d more effectively spread the load compared to creating an account on sh.itjust.works, which already has a pretty huge user count.
Beehaw is not worth the effort. Their audience is way too sensitive to participate with any reasonable level of social interaction. You will live on eggshells if you wish to participate there,
.world is the instance where most new users default to so and it has the highest user base that includes a lot of trolls or just bad faith actors. Also, a lot of .world is based from reddit users who left and they brought that kind of mindset along. Some people don’t like that either.
What does it matter which users are on which server, since we all get the same content anyways, aside from defederation?
Your account may be banned by the admins if they don’t like you. If it’s on your home instance, you lose the entire account. That’s why it’s important to create your account on a trustworthy instance (or host your own).
it really doesn’t. those that make it about server handles are the reason movements fail, like get over yourself, ppl! hexbear came @ me pretty hard for my instance. fuck em.
we all get the same content anyways, aside from defederation?
We don’t, though. We get whatever content people on our chosen instance have subscribed to. Even without blanket server bans, there are Lemmy-based websites that your host has never heard of, hosting content you do not have access to. Someone from your server has to introduce those sites, and subscribe to the communities on those sites, for your server to have their content.
The fediverse is subscription based. Shit doesn’t get sent around unless it’s specifically asked for.
It doesn’t, except for the ones who like to browse local. And the .world admins have quite a few blocked instances. They seem to be a bit too liberal in defederating to my tastes. I feel as if it runs against the concept of federation itself.
TGhost@lemm.ee 1 year ago
To those who promotes lemmy.cafe as a solution,
No shame that the instance doesnt block far rights and pedo instances ?
Start considerate your self at a moment,
Not every leftists are for imperialisms… True leftists are humanists, and want the right for people to get autodetermination,
At a moment, stop being ridiculous,