No. .social is a Top Level Domain(TLD) just like .com, .org, or .net
They’re no more connected than Facebook.com and Apple.com are.
Now, they could be run by the same folks; I have no idea on that front, but you can’t tell simply by the TLD
If I have an account on Mastodon.Social, and another account on PieFed.Social are they technically on the same instance, since they're both on .Social?
Submitted 2 months ago by Lost_My_Mind@piefed.social to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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ccunning@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Oh god… let’s not get into the nuance of web hosting. Soon you’ll have to explain dns or what a reverse proxy is… or heaven forbid how certificates work to secure it all.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If I have a house in Orange County, California, and another house in Orange County, Florida, do I technically only have one house since they’re both in Orange County?
BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m sorry about your confusion. Please start another thread, though, so people can focus on answering OP.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Surely you could see that my response was a rhetorical question in an answer to reflect upon the absurdity of the OPs question.
cheddar@programming.dev 2 months ago
Bruh is trying to cope with the fact that he bought same house twice 💀
xavier666@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Bro is testing the limits of the community name.
/jk it’s better to have a stupid question than no question at all
ricdeh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think in your analogy, the county should be variable instead of the state.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I mean, it communicates the same point. The two are unrelated even though they have the same county name, just like websites share the same TLD and are completely unrelated to each other.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Those two domains are as close to each other as google.com and facebook.com
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
to a layman it’s probably best to just… not really think too deeply about this, there is layer upon layer of possible nuance and yet at the same time 99% of the time it’s as simple as “if the ‘thing.otherthing’ isn’t identical then they have absolutely nothing to do with each other”.
To really understand what’s going on you’ll need to dive into how computer networking functions and a bunch of other things, which i do highly encourage since it’s good to know, but the important thing here is that you’re talking about domain names, which i’m not going to try to explain further but rather recommend you look up on wikipedia and other places to learn more about.
netvor@lemmy.world 2 months ago
When it comes to identifying the server, hostname the first thing that counts.
lemmy.worldormastodon.socialorgoogle.comare three different hostnames. At this point you can basically treat the period as no special character, it’s just part of the funny world. This basically answers your question: those are two different domains, ie. for all purposes, different instances.However, your computer does not really connect to hostname but to IP address, so the next important thing is to translate the hostname to an IP address.
Aside: a valid hostname does not even have to have period in it. For example,
localhostis a valid hostname! But generally hostnames without periods don’t get translated to any useful IP addresses.localhostis probably the only one widely used hostname but your OS will translate it to a special IP address which marks your own device.)So to translate the hostname to IP address is done using so-called DNS. So before you can connect, your computer already knows an IP address of a DNS server, and asks it to translate the hostname to IP address. Technically, this is still not where the period is strictly important.
Where the period does start to be meaningful is when you think about: so we have billions of IP addresses, billions of hostnames, how do we organize it all? Who is going to maintain the huge massive list?
So it works like this: There are dozens of organizations, each of which is assigned one or more “top level domains” (TLD). Then they are responsible for maintaining lists of all hostnames ending with those domains. Many of these organizations are local to certain states. For example, in Czech Republic, where I live, we have organization called CZ.NIC which maintains all domains ending with
.cz. So it’s up to CZ.NIC how it manages permissions and gives out the domains. In this case, basically anyone can register any free domain ending with .cz, and what this registration means is that now they can get a server with an IP address, run whatever they want and have the registered domain name point to that IP address.Note that other organizations may decide to add additional rules. For example
.ukdomains are managed with extra rules, where non-government (commercial) entities are normally allowed to register only.co.ukand other.uknames are not handed out easily. I don’t actually know the details about.ukbut my point is that if you are going to think about a hostname and how to begin to understand who owns it, first thing that matters is the TLD, and from that point the rules might be slightly different. To be fair, I haven’t seen much variance between this; almost all public TLD’s I’ve seen were either “simple”, meaningmyname.tldor this thing that UK does (also New Zealand, from the top of my head).One almost universal rule is, though, that if I, say, register
seznam.czwith NIC.CZ, then I automatically get not onlyseznam.czbut also any address I can possibly come up which ends with.seznam.cz.foo.seznam.cz,bar.seznam.cz,www.seznam.cz, I can now start organizing my servers using this whole infinite space, with any number of extra periods. I could totally start a business and start promoting my serverfoo.bar.baz.whatever.czon billboards, as long as NIC.CZ grants mewhatever.cz.So back to your question:
mastodon.socialandpiefed.socialare two completely different domains. All we know that they have in common is that whoever registered them, had to deal with the same organization; that is whoever maintains.social.So TL;DR: there’s really nothing that suggests that they would be the same instance.
zelifcam@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No
crawancon@lemm.ee 2 months ago
not with that attitude.
Lost_My_Mind@piefed.social 2 months ago
So Social is the domain, and Mastodon/Piefed are the instances in my example?
If that's the case, why not make everything (instance).com?
ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
The cost of a (word).com domain can be tens of thousands of dollars if nobody owns it to millions of dollars if someone does. The cost of a (word).social domain is like $10.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 months ago
The last few letters are called a TLD, they show what type of site it is, .com-mercial, .org-anisation, .net-work, etc.
The actual site/instance is the part before it.
braindefragger@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Mastodon.social is the address to that specific Mastodon instance. Take a look at this site for more info.
I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that? Are you suggesting everyone to use a ().com? If so, because they are rarely available and if they are, quite expensive.
bitwaba@lemmy.world 2 months ago
.com, .net, .org, and .social are called Top Level Domains
You can register a
second level domain(e.g. “google”, "lemmy”, “cnn”) with a specific TLD, resulting in adomain name(e.g. “google.com”, “lemmy.social”, “cnn.com”)otter@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
We have our instance on
.cafor example, since we’re a Canadian instance. Other instances might use.eubeing in the EU, or.frfor FranceSome instances pick the TLD (.com, .ca, .org, etc.) to have a fun name. For example, sh.itjust.works
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
.com is for commercial sites (though many sites misuse it). Most Mastodon instances are not commercial.
fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 2 months ago
Not really.
Both mastodon.social and piefed.social are domain names that point to instances.
The last part of the domain name after the dot like .com or .social doesn’t really mean anything.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Because using .com for everything is boring, especially when you can use TLDs like .ninja .dad .rocks or .party
The real reason is we will run out of useful .com domains sooner or later, so adding more TLDs means more people can affordably rent a domain
Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
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DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
The devout Christians currently going through a crisis on whether to go “Jesus is in all of us, thus yes” or “Our boy J don’t want none o’ that nastiness”.