50%?
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
These are absolutely disastrous numbers. This is worse than I would expect from illegally sources parts.
Unreal Engine supervisor at ModelFarm blasts 50% failure rate with Intel chips — company switching to AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X, praises single-threaded performance
Submitted 3 months ago by floofloof@lemmy.ca to technology@lemmy.world
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Laser@feddit.org 3 months ago
Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Better off buying from Temu at that failure rate.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 months ago
This is probably a worse rate than all those motherboards years ago with the fucked up capacitors.
We had fucking stacks of them.
Monomate@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Why are grey market CPU parts more prone to failure? For GPUs I can understand due to possible mining usage, but CPUs too?
Laser@feddit.org 3 months ago
Grey market chips usually include chips that failed quality assurance to prop up numbers.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m ready for the eBay batch purchase…batch of 10 please!
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
I’m curious about the timeframe for failures though. Like, if these machines are being used for feature film VFX, I wouldn’t be surprised if the CPU is running at near 100%, 24/7 for months on end. If it fails after 6 months under those conditions, a typical home user might be able to go years without an issue. Of course, there would probably be unlucky people who have problems long before that.
It’s also interesting that we’re not hearing anything from Amazon, Google or Microsoft. They Intel-based servers and they also push them hard. Are they not seeing these problems, or are they just not talking about them? If they’re not seeing them, is it safe to push the affected Intel CPUs hard as long as you avoid very specific code / algorithms?
Laser@feddit.org 3 months ago
The news is about Core i9 CPUs, which are the enthusiast / possibly workstation offering by Intel with high single core clock speeds. Amazon, Google and Microsoft use server CPUs which usually don’t feature such high speeds, but rather focus on more cores and more possible RAM.
However, if a vendor sells a product with the main feature of high clock speeds and the product fails when I’m using that exact feature for prolonged periods of time, I’d say it’s faulty.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 months ago
Friendship ended with Intel. Now AMD is my best friend.
lemming741@lemmy.world 3 months ago
AMD will be able to raise prices, unfortunately.
Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Hope ARM can get more into the desktop PC marketplace so we can have more competition. Someday Intel will stop taking Ls and try for a Monopoly again.
wabafee@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Never thought I see the day where AMD praised for their single threaded performance.
PanArab@lemm.ee 3 months ago
That’s a very high failure rate and this could hurt Intel long term.
mlg@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Bruh this is as bad of a failure rate like the time Nvidia screwed up their chips and both Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 were having insane chip failures.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
Is it just the UE Oodle compression that is exposing the flaws or are non-gaming workloads affected?
CountVon@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Anything that pushes the CPUs significantly can cause instability in affected parts. I think there are at least two separate issues Intel is facing:
- Voltage irregularities causing instability. These could potentially be fixed by the microcode update Intel will be shipping in mid-August.
- Oxidation of CPU vias. This issue cannot be fixed by any update, any affected part has corrosion inside the CPU die and only replacement would resolve the issue.
Intel’s messaging around this problem has been very slanted towards talking as little as possible about the oxidation issue. Their initial Intel community post was very carefully worded to make it sound like voltage irregularity was the root, but careful reading of their statement reveals that it could be interpreted as only saying that instability is a root cause. They buried the admission that there is an oxidation issue in a Reddit comment, of all things. All they’ve said about oxidation is that the issue was resolved at the chip fab some time in 2023, and they’ve claimed it only affected 13th gen parts. There’s no word on which parts number, date ranged, processor code ranges etc. are affected. It seems pretty clear that they wanted the press talking about the microcode update and not the chips that will have the be RMA’d.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
As yet unreleased chips received under a contracted NDA do better than chips that you pay money for? Tell me more about it while I sip on my new energy drink provided by Jitters inc. Which is better than my old energy drink or the energy drink you are drinking. Jitters will be releasing this energy drink in a store near you soon btw!
lemmeout@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I understand the cynicism. But if you’ve been following this topic, Intel really fucked with some huge customers (businesses) here. And AMD was already stealing their lunch with then previous gen processors.
ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 3 months ago
Guess, current management is just not doing well under pressure and asking for the wrong stuff from the engg’s.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
And I understand all the amd fanboyism but this is a best an unreliable comparison and a worst a marketing ploy.
doingthestuff@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Ryzen changes their sockets less often too. I went from a 2600 to a 3600 to a 5700x with the same motherboard. Unless Intel really steps up their game I don’t see any reason to switch back.
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 months ago
No, or very few, locks in too. Like overclock or have virtualization.
ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 3 months ago
I just went full AMD when I realised their Open Source effort to market share ratio is way ahead of Intel.
dan@upvote.au 3 months ago
I bought a Framework 16 laptop partially because they officially support Linux and there’s AMD employees on their forum tracking and fixing bugs.
AMD have come a long way since the fglrx days (their old buggy proprietary graphics driver). They’ve really embraced Linux, and an AMD CPU + AMD GPU would be my first choice for a Linux system.
Badeendje@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Excellent point!
I have been rocking and since the first Aylin series, simply because I think Intel deserves and requires a competitor. The fact that the new (and last few) amd units are good value for money helps a lot!
kopasz7@lemmy.world 3 months ago
AMD for platform, Intel for NIC (and optane SSD)
Best combo IMO.
MHLoppy@fedia.io 3 months ago
Intel fumbled hard with some of their recent NICs including the I225-V ([1][2], which took them multiple hardware revisions in addition to software updates to fix.
AMD also had to be dragged kicking and screaming to support earlier motherboard buyers to upgrade to Ryzen 5000 chips,[3] and basically lied to buyers about support for sTRX4, requiring an upgrade from the earlier TR4 to support third-gen Threadripper but at least committing to "long-term" longevity in return[4][5]. They then turned around and released no new CPUs for the platform[6], leaving people stranded on the platform despite the earlier promises.
I know it's appealing to blindly trust one company's products (or specific lineup of products) because it simplifies buying decisions, but no company or person is infallible (and companies in particular are generally going to profit-max even at your expense). Blindly trusting one unfortunately does not reliably lead to good outcomes for end-users.
deltapi@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I used to think so too, but I’ve got an Intel box where I have to turn hardware offload off in order to not have networking ‘crashes’ (complete with kernel dump data) that take out my networking for 5-15sec. Chip is i218-LM r05.
I’ve never had an issue with my i210 and x550 chips, but this 218 is super frustrating.
blackwateropeth@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I had to put my Intel NIC in a 1gb duplex due to it crashing at anything higher :)
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
IDK, I’m having a lot of trouble with my Intel Wi-Fi NIC: 3168NGW. I’m getting like 16mbps on Linux, when I have an AC network. My USB dongle gets full speed though, so it works, but the PCI card just sucks.
It seems it’s downgrading to A/B speeds instead of AC, which is weird. This is a new motherboard, and it seems I’m not alone. It apparently works fine, and there seems to be drivers available that fix it, but they’re not part of the standard driver.
CaptKoala@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
I’m waiting till I see a good price on a 5900x/5950x for the rig I recently built with 5800x, the 5800x rips though I will keep it and do another build with it.
doingthestuff@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Sounds like a nice build, what GPU do you have with it? I’m running an RTX 4070ti. People seemed mad at it when it released but I got mine $15 under MSRP on the day it released (plus tax exempt because it’s my main video editing PC for my nonprofit).
A couple years later I’m still loving it for 1440p 144fps gaming, I run most games on ultra. It seems a good match for the 5800x, sometimes I bottleneck on GPU, sometimes CPU but most of the time neither.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 months ago
I’ve got a 5000 series CPU running happily on a first gen Ryzen board. Started with a 1600 and now I have a 5600G. Hybrid graphics setup and all. First gen Ryzen was junk compared to my current CPU, it’s kinda crazy.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
I went from 1700 to 5600 on the same motherboard, and I can still upgrade to an X3D chip if I want to. That’s like 6 years of CPUs on one motherboard.
And the new socket seems to offer something similar.
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
if Bartlett Lake rumor ends up being true, ironically LGA 1700 had a much longer lifespan than intel would typically have (it would introduce a 4th series to LGA 1700), which would technically put it in a similarish boat to AM5 generation wise in count. (Zen, Zen+, Zen 2, Zen 3 vs Alder lake, Raptor Lake, Raptor Lake+, Bartlett Lake)
the only problem for intell of course is the middle generations top end is basically now unusable
EtherWhack@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Wasn’t that before they switched to LGA though?
elgordino@fedia.io 3 months ago
They’ve committed to support AM5 (the LGA socket launched 2022) through at least 2027.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/amd-promises-am5-socket-life-support-through-to-2027-and-beyond/#
helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Wasn’t what? They still sell AM4 chips to this day.
ikidd@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Intel’s played the socket game for 30 years now, they aren’t stopping now. It’s a bone they throw to the motherboard manufacturers to ensure they stay the main business focus for them.
blandfordforever@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I’m still running a 3700x and had been thinking about upgrading. Is the 5800x the best choice for am4?
dnmr@lemmy.world 3 months ago
5800X3D is still a gaming beast, and 5950X is best in slot for productivity